Almost pulled my gun on the maid...

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JLStorm

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I am staying at a hotel right next to washington dullus airport on the VA side. I am working nights and sleeping days. I got in this morning at around 7 am and hit the sack. The doors to the rooms are on the outside of the building so there is no security between the parking lot and my first floor room other than my door. I have the do not disturb sign on my door but at 11 am the door gets knocked on and someone jiggles the handle but upon hearing me say I do not want service they leave. I go back to sleep, then at around 3pm the same thing happens, but this time when I say I do not want service I hear a card on the card reader on my door and I again yell "NO THANKS" and "PLEASE LEAVE", this does nothing. I see the door open and I grab my P2000sk on the bedside table. I am in bed with no cover available away from the door due to a wall on the side of the bed. The bathroom could be used as cover, but I dont have time to get there before the door would open. Luckily, even though the maid was able to disengage the dead bolt luck on the door, the swing latch prevents him from opening the door all the way. I am not pointing the gun at the door but at the floor on a first floor room as its the only safe direction. He then pushes the door against the swing latch as if trying to force it for about 1.5 seconds, he then says he is sorry and closes the door. I do not know why the yelling and the do not disturb sign as well as the dead bolt lock, which is much harder to disengage than when the door is just locked as it closes didnt make it obvious that someone was inside which makes me wonder if the guy REALLY worked for the hotel or just picked up on of the master lock cards and was looking to steal something.

I called the hotel and they said they have the maid service working all day and only certain employees have the master cards that allow them access to all the rooms and that I should not be worried.

The afterthought that sits in my mind is this, had I forgotten to engage the swing latch, or if somehow failed to engage and I did point my weapon at the person who would be less than 12 feet from my bed at the time of opening the door. Had I had to point me weapon to get the point accross that this was not a good room to enter, or had I had to fire...from a legal standpoint things could have gotten very sticky as it was a hotel room. What could have made things even more complicated was if he didnt understand that I wanted him to go away because he might has not spoken any english?

Anyway, thats how my day started, it was probably nothing big, but being woken out of a dead sleep it further complicated things.
 
the only thing that concerns me is you said, "had I had to fire".

A hotel room is not your home. I would not treat it as such. Even if somebody broke in, I'd caution you against firing unless the threat of death or serious injury was presented.

The reality is that most of the time the maids don't speak English, no matter where you go. To them you might as well have been yelling, "Oh G-d yes! This room is so dirty! It absolutely MUST be cleaned right now!" - you just need to keep that in mind.

Also, you presented exactly why I don't like to stay in hotels that have you exposed to the parking lot. Especially when you're armed and take things seriously, in a legal nightmare like a hotel, you need that extra barrier of protection such as a lobby with staff and a security camera (to deter).

In any case, I'm glad things turned out well and nothing happened... but it's definitely something to think about next time you pick a hotel.
 
I put the no service flag on the door and lock the door from the inside when I'm in my room. Never had a problem yet.

edit: I want to ad those latches are really weak and are only good for keeping the maid out.
 
A lil dramatic IMHO .. If you had fired on a maid .. you would almost inevitably be in a BUNCH of DOO DOO .. I probably would have jumped up and answered the door .. Didn't seem like a BG situation .. being as it was 3 P.M and the guy knocked and had a master key .. Seemed like it almost HAD to be a worker
 
Not really dramatic, just quick. It was dark in the room and I was dead asleep. I had no idea what time it was and being woken out a dead sleep and being right next to a door I didnt have much time to do much. The reason I didnt jump up and answer the door was:

1. it was in the process of being opened
2. I wasnt wearing anything (I may have to change this going forward)
3. When I was awake enough to know the yelling wasnt doing anything and they opened a dead lock bolted door which is much harder to open than a door simply locked upon closing I was concerned


As far as the hotel thing, I have read a few legal opinions (I'll look for them tonight) which state one of the reason you can have a gun in your hotel room in (most) states that are less than gun friendly is because the hotel room is treated as a dwelling, the same as a rental property for the duration of your stay. There may be contradictory legal opinions as well, part of the reason I posted this was because in retrospect it could have been a very sticky situation. I had the gun because I was working very late at night with a lot of expensive and sensitive equipment outdoors so I was CCWing it, it just happened to be by my bedside seeing as I had brought it with me. If I am not carrying a gun that week (which is rare) I dont bring one along.
 
Was the maid an illegal alien?

I dont know...I didnt really have time to ask lol I would suspect he was...most are, I considering writing the hotel since I stay with this chain most weeks of the year and asking for their opinion on the hiring of illegal aliens....I dont know that it would do any good.

As far as male maids, I havent seen many either, but hotel cleaning services are a great job for anyone who doesnt speak a lick of english :fire:
 
IMO, whatever it's worth, the international sign of "GET THE F*!K OUT!" is a gun pointed at you. If it was an illegal alien, they probably wouldn't have said anything but maybe "sorry". They wouldn't want to draw the attention of the police. I don't think you were going overboard in your reaction. I don't know the area you were in, but I probably would've done the same. Better safe than sorry.....
 
Lots of bad things happen at hotels. I suspect that in the eyes of the law, should you have to defend yourself in one, it would be seen as if you were in your domicile and defending yourself accordingly.

Now, as far as the maid thing goes... If that male maid had managed to make entry into my room in spite of all the locks you engaged and the "do not disturb" flag on the outside of the door, he would have been met with the business end of my pistol. I don't mean to say that I would have shot him necessarily. Drawing doesn't have to mean pulling the trigger. Even if he succeeded in entering the room, I would like to believe that I could differentiate between an invasion and just a major league oops from the cleaner.

This could very easily be a situation where the help didn't speak or read english well and perhaps was listening to some headphones. Plus he may have been tired/sleepy and nearing the end of a long shift. How many times have we been off in our own worlds and been oblivious to things that would normally be painfully obvious to us?

Prudence is never a bad thing. Hotels are prime locations for invasions and muggings - and worse. However, hotels are also prime locations for people who do not habla ingles or are maybe somewhat mentally impaired are employed.

I would certainly mention this to management. You never know. Be civil and non-accusatory. Have everyone be on the same side on the issue and I bet things will turn out well. Plus you might get a complimentary stay as a result of you inconvenience.
 
I had something similar happen a couple years back. I work nights, usually going to bed around 0600 just after my roommate heads to work.

Anyhow, I wake up gun drawn (it stays on the headboard) and pointed at the door just to see the maintenance man in my apartment complex coming through. Needless to say he saw me and beat feet not even bothering to close the door.

I threw on some clothes and headed to the office to appologize. While I was in there the office manager questioned the maintenance guy he replied "Yes I knocked a few times, and yes I yelled mainenance."

Thing is I didn't hear the knocks on the door, nor anyone yelling maintenance. Subconsciously I must have. But it wasn't enough to wake me. Hearing a key in the lock was enough to force me to wake up.

This all happened at around 1000, by all accounts I was deep into REM sleep by that point.

Luckily even though I wasn't awake until the door opened, my finger wasn't on the trigger, it was resting in its accustomed place above the trigger.

Needless to say that maintenance doesn't bother coming to my apartment until after 1200 (my usual time to wake up) I guess word spread, or they have a note up or something.
 
There are some words that seem to cross the language barrier just fine, if you absolutely, positively have to get the :cuss: point across :rolleyes:

Of course, if there are legal problems down the road that same verbiage could reflect poorly on you.

Just saying, if I was REALLY trying to get someone's attention after a few failed attempts....

*seriousness off*

hey, it worked for Ahnold :neener:
 
A hotel room is not your home. I would not treat it as such. Even if somebody broke in, I'd caution you against firing unless the threat of death or serious injury was presented.

What state are you in?

Just about every state considers a hotel room your dwelling while you are there, same as an apartment. You are paying rent on both, one for a much shorter time span but it's your home.



For the regular traveller I recommend one of those door wedges with a built in alarm. I have had one in my bag for years and I use it all the time when I'm on the road. Keeps you from having to depend on that chain to keep the door secure if someone has a key.

I paid like 20 bucks for the thing. The alarm is loud too.
 
More than a little racism in this thread. :banghead:

What the hell does the maids (male or female) country of origin OR status of citizenship here have to do with this topic?

Would you rather have a white American crack ho folding your sheets?

Hotel maids don't make a lot of money for cleaning YOUR pee off the floor and changing YOUR sheets.

If your hotel room was clean, the sheets were fresh and your stay was otherwise unremarkable why on God's green earth would you want to try to fire up the management of the hotel to fire that person?

And being a guy who has traveled extensively, I can give you this advice:

If you are a day sleeper, tell the hotel desk clerk that when you check in and they will ensure you are not disturbed during the day. ;)

More than one spacey hotel customer has forgotten to remove the "Do Not Disturb" thing from the door. ;)
 
What the hell does the maids (male or female) country of origin OR status of citizenship here have to do with this topic?

Quite a bit if you are screaming to someone in a barely awake state and that someone doesn't speak English.

Yes I'd say that has quite a bit to do with it.

Someone coming into your room that understands you and can communicate who they are makes the situation safer.

Someone coming in that cannot understand what you are saying and cannot tell you who they are, well that's a recipe for disaster.

I've seen it before. I spend half my life on the road living in hotels. Countless times I've tried to communicate with hotel cleaning folks for one reason or another. Very seldom have I been able to accomplish whatever it was I was trying to do.

So if you call asking if the maid spoke English being racist, well then maybe YOU have some thinking to do about it. It's fair to assume that if the maid was an illegal worker that there was a language barrier.
 
You really don't want to know what I think about your reactions to this incident, so I'll keep my mouth shut.
 
Being a fellow (albeit new) nightshift worker, I can relate to the being awakened sensation and that panic feel that comes over you when verbal commands are not proving effective.

Yes, the motel room is just like your house regarding a dwelling and your ownership while there.

Did you shoot someone, No, that's good. Should you report it to management, well, yes, and no. I'd report it to management in the regards that you are a nightshift worker and require privacy during the day because that is when you're sleeping. Then mention being woke up by a person attempting to come in the room.

Many of them knock as they are opening the door, not knock, announce, wait, then open the door. It's just a routine the worker gets in. They are so used to the rooms being empty that it happens in one motion, not several as it should.
 
I stay in hotels all the time (like 1-2x per week) and people often come back drunk or are just nimrods and pull off the "Do not disturb signs." Like it or not, many housekeeping people don't speak great English, and most hotels have pretty thick doors for fire prevention, so they may not hear you and often key right in before realizing someone is in the room.

I'd say tell the front desk you would like service at whatever time, and also be prepared to have maids come in anyway.

What is really fun is when the front desk gives someone else the key to your room or vice versa. I've keyed into a room that was supposed to be mine to find some poor dude sitting there eating his dinner...

Those door alarms someone mentioned sound neat, or if you're in a seedy hotel where the doors open to a parking lot, request a high floor room. Criminals are lazy...
 
One might look into getting a doorstop (the little rubber wedges) and apply that to the hotel door.

While not impenetrable, it would certainly prevent a situation where someone with a master key (be it a maid or bad guy) would be able to gain rapid access to your room.

One could defeat the swing latch with a solid kick to the door, but a rubber doorstop would likely withstand several such kicks so long as the hinges on the door hold.

I've also seen "club" like devices which expand to brace the door (specifically near the doorknob) to the floor, preventing the door from being forced open as easily.

Also, being naked may well provide an degree of advantage to you -- you're not concerned about your nudity in a defensive situation, but it may well catch the other person off-guard. If it's merely the maid, they may be somewhat alarmed (depending on one's physique) but I'm sure it's not the first time they've walked in on a naked person (maybe a naked armed person...). If it's a bad guy, this may catch them off guard, giving you a brief window of time in which to act.
 
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What the hell does the maids (male or female) country of origin OR status of citizenship here have to do with this topic?

Quite a bit if you are screaming to someone in a barely awake state and that someone doesn't speak English.

Yep. I don't see how that's racist.
 
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