Alright folks, which is more important...
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Ala Dan
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Neither
cslinger
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Light for a couple reasons.
1 you can't identify a target with night sights and we don't want to blow drunk Uncle Ernie away now do we.
2 The chances of most of use ever needing to actually utilize a firearm for anything other than fun are actually pretty remote. The chances of needing a good flashlight on the other hand..........well you do the math.
3 I would rather be shooting at a well lit up and quite possibly dazzled opponent than a shadow with night vision intact.
That about covers my reasons, besides I like lights.
Chris
1 you can't identify a target with night sights and we don't want to blow drunk Uncle Ernie away now do we.
2 The chances of most of use ever needing to actually utilize a firearm for anything other than fun are actually pretty remote. The chances of needing a good flashlight on the other hand..........well you do the math.
3 I would rather be shooting at a well lit up and quite possibly dazzled opponent than a shadow with night vision intact.
That about covers my reasons, besides I like lights.
Chris
Gunsnrovers
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CCW is kinda hard with a light on the pistol. If you use your CCW for your house gun then what do you do? Put the light on everytime you get home? CCW holster choices for pistols with rails can be limited as well.
stealthmode
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i was just thinking about that the other day and i decided i would need both. light up your target and you need the night sites to properly aim. i tried using a flashlight and aiming and i could not do it , not enough backlight for me to see the sights
WhoKnowsWho
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Gimme a tac light and laser too.
lycanthrope
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Night sights.
Hard to carry a tac light concealed.
If I'm at home with my gun I don't want to advertise my position with a light.
Hard to carry a tac light concealed.
If I'm at home with my gun I don't want to advertise my position with a light.
Interesting. I figured there would be a variety of responses. I guess I should give my thoughts too. I have night sites on my CCW (Kahr P9 w/mepros) and a light on my HD weapon (USP45F w/light). So I guess you could say I like both. In a perfect world all guns would have both. I would like to get some night sites for my USP, but it's pretty hard to justify the $$$ when I have the light.
Keep the responses coming. I like to hear what ya'll have to say.
Cal
Keep the responses coming. I like to hear what ya'll have to say.
Cal
Brian Williams
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Neither.
Gimme a good Revolver and a Flashlight.
I keep them separate and that way I can use the lite to find things with out drawing my gun.
Gimme a good Revolver and a Flashlight.
I keep them separate and that way I can use the lite to find things with out drawing my gun.
jamz
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I just store six or eight flashbangs next to my HD gun, so all I have to do is toss them in each room I want to clear before I step in and turn the darned lights on! 
-James
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I don't like night sights, they just don't help me.
And tac lights...most people don't need them. Don't forget when you turn on the light, the other guy knows exactly where you are now.
Both of these choices depend totally on what someone likes/can use well.
I don't like night sights, they just don't help me.
And tac lights...most people don't need them. Don't forget when you turn on the light, the other guy knows exactly where you are now.
Both of these choices depend totally on what someone likes/can use well.
Both ... sort of.
Good handheld tac light, not a gun-mounted tac light. Hang your only light on the gun and you haven't turned the gun into a flashlight -- you've turned it into a deadly weapon that is really, really tempting to point at people who have not yet been identified and in directions it is not safe to shoot. (And if you get both a handheld for looking and a gun-mounted light for shooting -- aren't you right back where you started, with both hands full anyway?)
Good night sights, or a laser. Laser by my preference, because it provides some ambient light too, and because it can easily be left off if it's not needed or if extreme stealth is a factor. Glow-in-the-dark sights can't be shut off to invisibility.
pax
Good handheld tac light, not a gun-mounted tac light. Hang your only light on the gun and you haven't turned the gun into a flashlight -- you've turned it into a deadly weapon that is really, really tempting to point at people who have not yet been identified and in directions it is not safe to shoot. (And if you get both a handheld for looking and a gun-mounted light for shooting -- aren't you right back where you started, with both hands full anyway?)
Good night sights, or a laser. Laser by my preference, because it provides some ambient light too, and because it can easily be left off if it's not needed or if extreme stealth is a factor. Glow-in-the-dark sights can't be shut off to invisibility.
pax
Andrew Wyatt
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Light on the gun.
A light on the gun doesn't impede your ability to shoot, and provides for identification of the the target you wish to shoot so you can decide if you still wish to shoot it.
THe difference between pax's position and mine is a mindset difference. I assume that anything going bump in the night is a threat unless proven otherwise, and the light is the means to prove otherwise.
A light on the gun doesn't impede your ability to shoot, and provides for identification of the the target you wish to shoot so you can decide if you still wish to shoot it.
THe difference between pax's position and mine is a mindset difference. I assume that anything going bump in the night is a threat unless proven otherwise, and the light is the means to prove otherwise.
Shootcraps
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Neither. If it's too dark to verify your target, you should lock yourself in your safe room and call 911. Let PoPo come and check it out. 
A mindset difference it is indeed.
Here's the rules I work under:
"Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.
Be sure of your target, and what's beyond or behind your target."
I do agree that pointing a light at the noise is a good way to prove otherwise. I just don't believe that pointing the gun at an unidentified target is a good idea.
Put more plainly. Unless I have a darn good reason to do so -- as in, an identified threat -- I'm not going to wave my gun at the living room wall if one of my family members could be behind that wall. I'm not going to point my gun at an unidentified noise if there is any possibility that someone I love could have made that noise. I'm not going to wave my gun in the floor-to-ceiling search pattern if my family members are upstairs, and I'm dang sure not going to point the gun at an unidentified human being until I've made sure it is someone I don't mind killing.
I think it is frightening how many people are willing to throw away half of the Four Cardinal Rules just because there's a freakin' light on the end of their guns.
pax
People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die. -- Jim Davidson
I'd like a gun-mounted light that points upward at about a 30 degree angle. That way you can hold the gun pointed at the floor, and illuminate whatever you want without needing to point the gun at it.
It might also be possible to add a scoop-shaped, opaque shield to the front of the flashlight so that when pointing the gun horizontally, someone directly in front of you can't see the source of the light, just the beam on the ceiling.
It might also be possible to add a scoop-shaped, opaque shield to the front of the flashlight so that when pointing the gun horizontally, someone directly in front of you can't see the source of the light, just the beam on the ceiling.
stevelyn
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Night sights. Barring absolute pitch blackness of caves and cellars, there is still enough ambient in most darkness/low-light environments to positively identify a threat at handgun fighting distances. There isn't enough light to see your black sights in the same conditions. Night sights will give you the advantage to get on target to shoot fast and accurately.
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