Master Blaster
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I have a single shot 12 no barrel rib, made in the early 50s says sears and Roebuck on the barrel. It kicks but proper hold makes it quite manageable. OP Didn't mention if he was shooting off a bench or offhand..
Am I just a "wuss".
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plumberroy
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First off these type guns aren't made for shooting 100 rounds of ammo on a trap field. they are economical easy to carry game guns from the times when you could buy shotgun shells by the piece at the general store. They were designed to sell cheap, last forever, to keep meat on the table and foxes out of the hen house. For men who weren't a soft as most of us.
H&R is the last American made single And I really don't think they will last much longer .
For what they are, they do there job well light enough to carry all day easy and quite to switch ammo as needed. with a little practice faster than you would think on follow up shots, how many of us really notice recoil when there is game in the sights????
Roy
H&R is the last American made single And I really don't think they will last much longer .
For what they are, they do there job well light enough to carry all day easy and quite to switch ammo as needed. with a little practice faster than you would think on follow up shots, how many of us really notice recoil when there is game in the sights????
Roy
Power piston loads are at the high end power wise, they will have about max payload and recoil of a shotshell. Try some light dove and quail loads or even some 3/4oz reduced recoil skeet loads. Do wear hearing protection, at least some plugs, they are cheap compared to hearing aids 30 years down the road.
I used to be a high volume shotgun shooter, it wasn't a big deal to shoot 800 shells a week. Now that I only shoot an occasional round I notice recoil adds up quickly and I notice my shoulder being tender. There is a bit of 'conditioning' that goes on, but gun fit should help negate those effects.
I used to be a high volume shotgun shooter, it wasn't a big deal to shoot 800 shells a week. Now that I only shoot an occasional round I notice recoil adds up quickly and I notice my shoulder being tender. There is a bit of 'conditioning' that goes on, but gun fit should help negate those effects.
MCgunner
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My little Spartan 20 gauge coach gun isn't bad, but an H&R I made the mistake of buying for my daughter is another story. Thing was just too light. I have an H&R 10 gauge that is more pleasant to shoot...not coincidentally it ways 9 lbs. Yet, H&R seems to think a 3.5" 12 can weigh 5 pounds, no problem. 
An exaggeration, but not by much.
My daughter ended up shooting my 12 gauge Winchester 1400 gas gun, loved it, but that 20 gauge H&R sucked.
There's a Remington 1100 at a local gun shop, brand new, 20 gauge. Beautiful gun and it's marked $575. Tempting.
An exaggeration, but not by much.My daughter ended up shooting my 12 gauge Winchester 1400 gas gun, loved it, but that 20 gauge H&R sucked.
There's a Remington 1100 at a local gun shop, brand new, 20 gauge. Beautiful gun and it's marked $575. Tempting.
Hunterdad
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No worries man. My shoulder is sore after shooting a round of trap with my 20ga NEF
oneounceload
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What a ridiculously stupid comment that has zero bearing on reality
Getting yourself beaten to death by recoil is ZERO sign of machismo and to imply it is is simply idiotic
Virginian
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I thought about it a lot, and yep, I think you're a wuss.
morcey2
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Hearing damage is instantaneous, cumulative, and irreversible. Earplugs are cheap. Hearing aids aren't. NEVER shoot without some sort of hearing protection.
As for recoil, one of my favorite investments is a PAST recoil pad. I picked up the field model and I can literally shoot all day without shoulder discomfort.
Matt
As for recoil, one of my favorite investments is a PAST recoil pad. I picked up the field model and I can literally shoot all day without shoulder discomfort.
Matt
bangswitch
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The box the shells came in should tell you what the powder load is, in dram equivalents. 2-3/4 to 3-1/4 DE are lighter loads for target and stuff like doves. The shot load will also make a difference. One oz. of shot is lighter recoil than 1-1/4, etc.
The "Power Piston" is just a Remington trademark for the wad design. The base collapses to absorb some of the force of powder ignition, to help prevent flattening of the shot load, to help preserve the shot pattern.
And get some ears on, if it's nothing more than sticking a cigarette filter in each ear.
alientrainwreck
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Not my $30 breakover 10g because someone cut the barrel off to around 20" I wish it were as soft as a 12 and thats not really soft but I have never been recoil sensative and to top it off it don't even have a recoil pad on it.haha, but like I say it don't get shot except for the occasional tough guy that says it won't hurt him. Its funny to watch. But truthfully painfull.
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Oneonceload I am talking men who shoveled coal 6 days a week or plowed corn with a mule day light to dark or cut fire wood with a buck saw . They shot single shots because that was all they had . And if it killed game for the table they were happy . Most of these men were smaller than most of us today . If you think you are as hardened as the average man from the 30's and 40's you are delusional. Truth be told the H and R tamers suck to shoot from the shoulder because they are so short but are not all that unmanageable shooting one handed
Master Blaster
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When does one shoot a shotgun one handed?
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H&R tamer 20 stock is like the snake charmer, disigned to fire one handed at a snake on the ground it is way to short to fire from your shoulder effectively. Since there aren't many poisonous snakes around here, and I don't generally shoot snakes just because they are snakes.
I ordered a standard choate stock and a choate store arm fore arm and changed out the stocks it makes for a light short 20 ga I used it as a bunny buster over dogs gun is 5 lbs and around 34 inches long
I ordered a standard choate stock and a choate store arm fore arm and changed out the stocks it makes for a light short 20 ga I used it as a bunny buster over dogs gun is 5 lbs and around 34 inches long
Onward Allusion
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Probably not a total wuss. Those guns are very light. If a 20 ga is causing pain, then I would suggest that you don't have the stock properly or firmly seated against your shoulder.
alientrainwreck
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Well when my $30 10g gets shot that's what I do, shoot it from the hip with both hands on it though and tight as visegrips
cat_IT_guy
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Single shots being generally very light tend to have much more perceived kick than even a pump in the same gauge. If you arent used to it, it can be unpleasant. One option, if you can stomach the thought of cutting down the stock would be cut off an inch or so and attach a nice recoil pad.
The first gun I ever shot was my dad's old 16ga savage break open. I was seven. I think I had the butt pattern on my shoulder for a week.... and dad sure heard about it from mom when we got home lol.
Not to beat the hearing protection thing to death, but dont try to be a man and not wear hearing protection. You get exactly 1 set of ears in this life, and the damage, beginning at the very first shot, is cumulative.
The first gun I ever shot was my dad's old 16ga savage break open. I was seven. I think I had the butt pattern on my shoulder for a week.... and dad sure heard about it from mom when we got home lol.
Not to beat the hearing protection thing to death, but dont try to be a man and not wear hearing protection. You get exactly 1 set of ears in this life, and the damage, beginning at the very first shot, is cumulative.
ApacheCoTodd
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Are you a "Wuss"?
Yes, and I'll tell you why.
Our firearms may hurt us, remove bits of skin here and there even cause us to see ddoouubbllee sometimes, but...
Manly men don't ever, repeat EVER comment on this maltreatment. That is, until we foist that torture device off on some other unsuspecting or stoic shooter.
So now, should a "power piston" round in a lightweight shotgun cause undo pain?
You bet.
Would the "Duke" ever whine about it?
No way!
As far as "Power Piston" anything - were it even a watering device in a rabbit hutch - I should think it would cause someone pain.
Hell, it hurts a little just typing "Power Piston".
Todd.
Yes, and I'll tell you why.
Our firearms may hurt us, remove bits of skin here and there even cause us to see ddoouubbllee sometimes, but...
Manly men don't ever, repeat EVER comment on this maltreatment. That is, until we foist that torture device off on some other unsuspecting or stoic shooter.
So now, should a "power piston" round in a lightweight shotgun cause undo pain?
You bet.
Would the "Duke" ever whine about it?
No way!
As far as "Power Piston" anything - were it even a watering device in a rabbit hutch - I should think it would cause someone pain.
Hell, it hurts a little just typing "Power Piston".
Todd.
huntsman
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I love marketing, two simple words power piston can sell ammo like crazy. I know cause I've bought Remington shotshells since the 70's
Used to hunt with a Winchester 37 20 gauge and the dreaded Power Pistons, good stuff and good times.What about those Taurus and S&W revolvers chambered for .410?
Don't even think wuss. If it hurts, it hurts, now do something about it. Good recoil pad, slip on or replacement. Drill and put some lead in the butt stock. Cut back on the loads if you can. Ear plugs or muff or both. Shoulder pad or shooting shirt with one sewn in place. Anything it takes to just be focused on proper consistent mounting and focused on target. Also, I might add, is a well fitted stock that helps keep shotgun melded to your cheek and helps to mount gun consistently. Wuss is a word to throw out of your vocabulary.
Yeah, Remington has a way with words.I love marketing, two simple words power piston can sell ammo like crazy. I know cause I've bought Remington shotshells since the 70's
Their catalog writers have evolved a style all of its own.
bangswitch
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When you don't have two hands.
I watched a guy last Friday at the range shooting trap. His left arm stopped about two inches above his left wrist. He'd just lay the fore end across his forearm when he aimed, and then he'd lay it in the elbow area and break it right handed, pull the empties out and reload right handed, then snap it closed with a flick of his right wrist while holding the pistol grip.
He was hitting a lot more than he missed.
The first shotgun I fired was an H&R 12 gauge. Buttplate was either steel or plastic.
It wasn't what I'd call fun. The schoolmate who owned it tried to get me to lean back against a tree, to "keep it from knocking me over".
Ha-ha, not faliing for that, I said "You, first".
I shot it normally. It was light and no fun to shoot.
My dad has one in 20 gauge with a Pachmayr slip on pad. It's not bad with the pad.
Without the pad, not as bad as the 12, but still bad.
Poor stock design plus light weight.
I had an early Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag.
The wood stock drove the comb into my cheekbone and my thumb knuckle into the bridge of my nose with every shot of 3.5". It wasn't any fun with 12 ga. 2.75" or 3" slugs or buckshot, either. The ventilated recoil pad would have been replaced with a Limbsaver if I'd kept it. However, that stock comb giving me a Mike Tyson punch to the cheek every time was enough for me to write it off.
Around 2001, I got a new 835 with ported barrel, synthetic stock (that seems to fit me much better), and a gel type recoil pad. It fits me a lot better than the old one.
I especially like the 25" barrel better than the 28" barrel on my old one.
How does it shoot?
Dunno. Never shot it.
I don't shoot shotguns as much as handgun or rifle.
A box of shells doesn't last long and I'm not set up for reloading them.
I can shoot my hand loaded ammo for rifles and pistols a lot cheaper than store bought scattergun ammo.
It wasn't what I'd call fun. The schoolmate who owned it tried to get me to lean back against a tree, to "keep it from knocking me over".
Ha-ha, not faliing for that, I said "You, first".
I shot it normally. It was light and no fun to shoot.
My dad has one in 20 gauge with a Pachmayr slip on pad. It's not bad with the pad.
Without the pad, not as bad as the 12, but still bad.
Poor stock design plus light weight.
I had an early Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag.
The wood stock drove the comb into my cheekbone and my thumb knuckle into the bridge of my nose with every shot of 3.5". It wasn't any fun with 12 ga. 2.75" or 3" slugs or buckshot, either. The ventilated recoil pad would have been replaced with a Limbsaver if I'd kept it. However, that stock comb giving me a Mike Tyson punch to the cheek every time was enough for me to write it off.
Around 2001, I got a new 835 with ported barrel, synthetic stock (that seems to fit me much better), and a gel type recoil pad. It fits me a lot better than the old one.
I especially like the 25" barrel better than the 28" barrel on my old one.
How does it shoot?
Dunno. Never shot it.
I don't shoot shotguns as much as handgun or rifle.
A box of shells doesn't last long and I'm not set up for reloading them.
I can shoot my hand loaded ammo for rifles and pistols a lot cheaper than store bought scattergun ammo.
alientrainwreck
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For my 20g pump I recently bought several cases of B&P shells of different types being slugs, #4,#6 all of them have what is called the gordon system the recoil isn't bad but I had never seen or heard of anything like this. I have 3 different barrels that I switch for hunting But is their anyone else shooting these gordon system type shells. Their from italy and loaded a little heaveir than american shells. I like'em and they shoot great.
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