Amazing-400 yards with a 22lr specialty pistol?

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That is some great shooting. I have a 512 Remmy that I can put 5 shots in the bottom of a coke can at 100 yards. All I did was bed the action and free float the barrel. The Guys at Rimfire Central are full of tips and tricks to dail a 22 in.

I have a Marlin 60 that I can shoot 1 inch groups at 75 yards.
 
XR,
Thank you.
I will respond to the statements you listed-I agree with you!
A 15.5 inch barrel will not have that much of a reduced MV compared to rifle lengths (So, I have been told).
Chuck has steadier benches and so do I.
SEB or NEO Rest (I have both)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zFF4kQrUPc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCsyjQr0Yrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66cMFhsoluU&feature=related
http://www.sebcoax.com/
Kidd trigger-this is his best one for the 10-22
I have had a few jams here and there-we will see on that.
Haven't dealt with ammo other than what I had and listed.
Understand the wind issue
I am human
I know bolts are better. This is not your typical Ruger action though.
I will share my progress both good and bad.
 
Deltaboy,
Thanks. I intend to go over there and get better informed for what I am trying to accomplish. Ammo choices and tools to get ammo consistent being the main things for me.
For bench shooting I may use a Hart Accuracy Asset and put a bar below the grip for better tracking when shooting off of the front rest.
 
Ernie I have been poiking arond for a day or two. Over at Specialty Pistol fourms
hear and other sites.. So im aware of your shooting and what you have done with the SP
I am into the Contender and Encore system and my first time shooting a 1/2" at 100 with my Tender was a great day. I live in Texas now and one day I will be going Home to Idaho I would like to make it one day out to Gillette and see and get to shoot the SP's With you keep up the good work I enjoy your posts..
FLIP.
 
Give me a holler if you are up my way.
Also, if you want to be able to handle and shoot some LR SP's make it out to Rich's (MOA) LR Pistol competition.
 
XP , my last ruger set up was a 20yr ruger 10/22, 22lr. with a hogue stock and a custom heavy barrel, volquartsen trigger group an bushnell 4-12x banner scope.

The best that the gun would group was .75" at 50 yrds. for 3-5 shots and even the 50 yrds. factory test target wasn't much better, shooting from a concrete range table and bipod /sand bag combo.

To see if it would shoot any better from a machine vice I made a temporary machine rest by removing the action from the stock and clamping it into a large industrial milling vice adapted to hold the reciever and them C clamping the vice to the concrete range table and see what it would do at 50 and 100 yrds. shooting at a refrigerator box.

The net results were that the gun shout about 1" 10 shot groups at 50 yrs. and about 1.5" groups at 100 yrds.

I could do close to the same results , by taking away the machine rest.

The best results I ever had were with the 17hmr in a custom 10/22 magnum and a stock savage mark 2 HMR that shot about .375" at 100 yrds.

Basically most of my results I got by using information gathered at most of the 22 target shooting forums on the net and got a lot of advice from guy that runs a shop accurizing stock 10/22 bolts, actions, triggers and barrels making them shoot like the custom items at half the price.
 
xr,
That is to bad. Sounds like your custom barrel didn't deliver like it should.
I know I was surprised when the Green Mountain barrel out shot both the Douglas and the Benchmark.

This is also why I went to a custom action. This is from the MOA site:

"This receiver is what you need, if you want to increase the life and accuracy of your firearm.

The replacement receiver is accurately CNC machined, from a 17-4 stainless casting. This will provide more strength and closer tolerances, and a receiver that you will probably never wear out.

The receiver has a second hold down screw on the rear, which allows the receiver to be securely fastened down in the stock and bed, if you choose to.

The barrel port is threaded (3/4-16) which allows the barrel to be screwed in. With the receiver securely fastened in the stock, the barrel can then be free floated; whether you thread your existing barrel or add a new barrel, the accuracy is greatly improved.

With the help of a fixture (which can be bought from M.O.A. Corp), the replacement receiver can be installed working at your kitchen table, with little gunsmithing skill required. (Fixture Instructions)

With this replacement receiver and a good replacement barrel (I recommend Douglas Barrels, which you can buy already threaded and set up with the extractor groove cut), this set up and using the rest of your stock parts, you should be able to shoot less than 1/4" groups at 50 yards. Of course, you have to do your part. To shoot well, you must use good ammo.

When the conversion is completed, you will have spent money to improve your rifle; but the cost will be less than most of the more expensive custom guns, and will shoot just as well or better and you did it yourself.

Other features of the M.O.A. Replacement Receiver for your 10-22

* The hole for the barrel is reamed at .6875 to accept the standard (but not recommended) slip in barrel.

* The receiver is drilled and tapped to accept 10-22 scope mounts.

* A cleaning rod hole will be drilled in the rear of the receiver for bore cleaning."

I am looking forward to shooting this more.
Weather earlier this week was unbearable for shooting.
I am looking forward to a break in the weather for load development and confirming drops with the 22lr and on my AX.
I just mounted a Vortex Razor HD 5-20/Seekins rings on my center-grip XP-100, chambered in 338 AX (Allen Xpress) and am having the brake modified slightly.

Sort of crazy, as the two extremes of a 338 Lapua Improved and the MOA clone 10-22 specialty pistol: A few grains of powder compared to close to 100 grains, and 40 grain bullet compared to a 300 grain bullet.
I just love these specialty pistols :D
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The best that the gun would group was .75" at 50 yrds. for 3-5 shots and even the 50 yrds. factory test target wasn't much better, shooting from a concrete range table and bipod /sand bag combo.
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Sounds like you need a better barrel, ammo, or something. Even a stock 10/22 should be able to do 3/4"@50yds. Hell, I've got a bone stock CZ452 with full stock and thin sporter barrel that does a half inch with bulk ammo.
 
Well buddy--never saw u get this worked up in a thread yet. Looking forward to spotting the 500 yarder. Looks like 60-70 MOA+ from 100 yd. 0, and the calmest day of our PD shooting careers.
 
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Yeah, my completely stock CZ 452 American will do sub 1" at 100 yards if I don't mess it up. It'll do right at 1" with just about any quality ammo, it seems to prefer the CCI Blazer value-pack stuff even over the expensive match grade stuff, wolf match holds right at 1" and the CCI stuff does slightly smaller with the CCI Green Label stuff doing the best out of them all.

I do need to look into a better trigger though, the stock one is pretty heavy.
 
Hey xphunter when you say modified 10 22 receiver is it steel and does it take a threaded barrel?

You got a great shooter there!
 
Green Mountain barrels are very good for the money. They are the least expensive 10/22 barrel I'd ever mess with. I just wouldn't have expected yours to shoot as well as it does. IMHO, Clark, Volquartsen and Shilen are similar and I've had great success with Clark. As stated before my new Clark mid-weight shoots 3/8"@50yds with Wolf MT with a 4.5lb trigger and no bedding. Hopefully it gets closer to a quarter inch with bedding and the new KID trigger. I would expect a KID barrel to shoot a mite better than Clark, although Tony uses the same Lothar Walther blanks. Lilja is probably the best and the price reflects that. The chamber cut probably has more effect on accuracy than any other single factor and there are a truckload of chamber specs to choose from. I don't get that deep into it.
 
The reason it shoots so well is it is a steel receiver with a screw in barrel.

The 10/22 as you probably know has a flimsy barrel clamp to an aluminum receiver. As soon as you put a barrel on it with any mass you can easily distort the receiver just handling the rifle.

It is one reason that Ruger puts a clamp over the barrel on the stock too.
 
not to insult you or anything, but that looks more like a rifle without a scope than a handgun to me. i've seen those things and always thought, why not just put a stock on it? lol. i don't understand the point of having a bipod on a handgun or shooting a handgun from any position besides standing.

very impressive trophies though.
 
None taken.
Specialty Handguns certainly are not traditional.
When I hunt with revolvers, I get as close to the ground as possible.
Never shoot off-hand, if I can get a rest.
Even in tactical matches, I have knelt or gone prone when the distance goes out past 25 yards to around 50 yards.
 
Sure the MOA reciever is better than a stock ruger system. But most 22 lr target rifle have no need for a threaded barrel to reciever fit, due to the low pressures and recoil forces they operate at. Most 22 rifles use and simple press in fit with a simple roll pin holding the barrel in place.

With ruger wedge mounting system for the barrel holds the barrel tightly in place and you get no movement to it once it is tightened down, with thread locker on the barrel and wedge screws.

There has also been alot of debate if the extra screw at the back of the MOA recieiver is of really any benefit to accuracy, it can't hurt.

As for MOA's tolerances I really don't think they are much different from a stock ruger 10/22 action in dimensions, you have to remember you are really dealing with a blow back action design, where the bolt simply slides back and forth on the action guide rod and spring assembly.

More accuracy could be gained by making sure the bolt face and barrel shoulder were square to one another.

I experimented with different stock combinations , stock, glassed bedded, laminated vs. synthetic, 2 screws VS 1 screw, glass bedded entire action VS free floated barrel.

Best results were with a hogue over molded stock and 1 action screw used. Keep the screw tight and it acheived the best accuracy just letting the action do what it wanted to and one note hogue had the best inletting and fit of any 10/22 stock. Others at that time had a lot of slop and rocking of the actions.
 
xr1200

What is your beef? Or problem.
I see you joined this forum on Nov. 12, 2010. You average 3.33 posts per day.
Just sitting around correcting the free world. What a asset to our cause.

Ernie stated he lobbed quite a few 22 rimfire rounds down range. He stated once he got on target the shots clicked.
I'm Miles, the guy pictured shooting the gun. The wind was blowing anywhere from 2 to 6 mph.
Ernie was caught up in the euphroria of hitting the target with his gun. He really didn't notice what was happening around him. The 7 Saum was mine, and everyone who shot it never missed out to 1200 yards. Cool day at the range.
Peter, "Young Gun", pulled out a 22x47, based of the 6.5 X 47 Lapua case and took two shots to hit a target at 1200 yards. That was awesome!!!!!

He stated I shot his gun at 200 yards, but actually I shot the pistol at 300 yards. Had a 4" high holdover, 3" right hold with Ernie's ART reticle at the 18 mark line on his scope. Hit four shots on a 5 inch sqaure plate.

The only thing holding Ernie back that day was the limited capacity of his 10 rnd Ruger clip. Every time he reloaded the the wind changed

XR1200,
I think Ernie challenged you to a Wyoming style dual. I'll pay your gas bill out here, but expect to be reimbursed if you fail to beat him.
Good Luck,
Miles
 
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MILO - we're way past the grouping discussion, I not argueing that with xp, were discussing the 10/22 mods.
 
Ernie

I know I'm not perfect, but I did walk on water friday, everything went fine as long as I was on snowpack. Got off of it and all heck broke loose, stuff is slippery, might have chipped a bone in my elbow.

Here is my liitle Buddy Bevan. He can walk on hard water too.
He was 1&1/2 when his Dad took this pic.
That is some concentration.. He was just pounding the water. the photo is neat.
He is the proud owner of the 6.5 X 47 Lapua in Chuck's gun vise at the shop.
He also owns a Win 9422, brand new, rimfire. And a new model 52b Win in 22 LR. Boy, might need some help in in training this young wildcat.
You in?
Miles
 

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