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I have sent a message to the owner of the gun to see what caliber is exactly marked on the gun. I REALLY hope it is a 7.62x25,at least he can find that!
Ammo for a SACM 1935 French pistol 7.62x22mm
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Jim Watson
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I have sent a message to the owner of the gun to see what caliber is exactly marked on the gun.
The one in the picture I have is marked 7.65 L.
As distinct from 7.65 Browning, .32 ACP which the French bought a lot of in WW I.
I REALLY hope it is a 7.62x25,at least he can find that!
Not a chance in the world.
The .30 Luger metric designation is 7.65x21.
Jim
I've seen that, too.
But I picked up Handguns of the World by Ed Ezell to be sure on the French oddity and HE calls it 7.65x22.
My handloading manual shows .30 Luger case length as .850 = 21.59mm.
The one in the picture I have is marked 7.65 L.
As distinct from 7.65 Browning, .32 ACP which the French bought a lot of in WW I.
I REALLY hope it is a 7.62x25,at least he can find that!
Not a chance in the world.
The .30 Luger metric designation is 7.65x21.
Jim
I've seen that, too.
But I picked up Handguns of the World by Ed Ezell to be sure on the French oddity and HE calls it 7.65x22.
My handloading manual shows .30 Luger case length as .850 = 21.59mm.
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jimmyraythomason
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Yeah,that actually should have said "I really WISH it was a 7.62x25,at least he can find that!"
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Thanks for the help everyone. Mods,I guess we'll call this one done. Thanks.
DJnRF
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By now you may have found a source for the ammo. However, if
you have not the following should be a help.
The 7.65 x 21 is a 9mm, but with a bullet diameter of .312.
It is a bottleneck case just as is the 8mm x 22 for Nambu
pistols. The 8mm Nambu round is a .311 bullet diameter.
In reality, all of the metric ammo has a problem that
from one manufacturer, or one caliber to the next the
actual size of the bullet diameter can vary widely. Unlike
the U. S. caliber designations where the actual bullet
diameter may not be exactly as it is called, the actual
dimensions are always within the same specs as every
other manufacturer of that ammo. Such has never been
the case for any of the metric ammo manufactured.
The 7.65 and the 7.62 21 or 22 lengths are both within
the same caliber tolerences with either varying from
.309 to .315 inches. The fact that the 7.65 x 21 and the
8mm Nambu are both the same bullet diameter for use,
and both are bottleneck cases, to use the 7.65 x 21
brass and full length resize it to a straight case will
make it into the diameter you need with a case length
of the 22 you desire for your pistol. Just be sure to
check the length and trim if it is needed, and double
check the head for size. The rim should be the same
as your 7.62 x 22 brass.
Always use good dies and always use good guages to
insure sizes.
Good luck.
you have not the following should be a help.
The 7.65 x 21 is a 9mm, but with a bullet diameter of .312.
It is a bottleneck case just as is the 8mm x 22 for Nambu
pistols. The 8mm Nambu round is a .311 bullet diameter.
In reality, all of the metric ammo has a problem that
from one manufacturer, or one caliber to the next the
actual size of the bullet diameter can vary widely. Unlike
the U. S. caliber designations where the actual bullet
diameter may not be exactly as it is called, the actual
dimensions are always within the same specs as every
other manufacturer of that ammo. Such has never been
the case for any of the metric ammo manufactured.
The 7.65 and the 7.62 21 or 22 lengths are both within
the same caliber tolerences with either varying from
.309 to .315 inches. The fact that the 7.65 x 21 and the
8mm Nambu are both the same bullet diameter for use,
and both are bottleneck cases, to use the 7.65 x 21
brass and full length resize it to a straight case will
make it into the diameter you need with a case length
of the 22 you desire for your pistol. Just be sure to
check the length and trim if it is needed, and double
check the head for size. The rim should be the same
as your 7.62 x 22 brass.
Always use good dies and always use good guages to
insure sizes.
Good luck.
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