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I still say 1892 Winchester carbineccarbine in 9mm would sell quite well.
An interesting response from RIA about a 9mm Carbine
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I would love to have a 9mm bolt/lever action, or closed bolt semi Carbine. Have a 9mm Hi-Point carbine, but it is open bolt like other 9mm carbines. Closed bolt would be cleaner and more consistent. There is one closed bolt 9mm AR in the market but expensive.
EDIT: meant direct blow back vs delayed blow back!
EDIT: meant direct blow back vs delayed blow back!
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Sneakshot92
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That would be a handy little truck/woods rifle!
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I too sent the same email request to RIA. Their reply to me was more to the tune of, “Thank you for the suggestion. We don’t have any plans to make a model in that caliber. For other models please visit our website...”
Sounds like they are starting to change their tune a bit but it doesn’t sound like its in the bag yet. Here’s hoping though.
Sounds like they are starting to change their tune a bit but it doesn’t sound like its in the bag yet. Here’s hoping though.
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Out of all the messages I've sent to gun makers on suggestions for new guns, the only one that did it was Henry and their .327 Big Boy, but it seemed like they had decided some time before I emailed them to make one.
I was surprised that Mr. Imperato replied to that email confirming it was being made.
A few weeks ago I emailed Henry again to pitch them the idea for making carriers that can feed and cycle extremely short cases like .38 Short Colt, .45 Cowboy Special, etc. to increase the capacity of the tubular magazine and offer an extremely low recoil shooting option, both of which would be great for CAS or even home defense for people in extremely restrictive areas like NYC.
Never did get a response to that email, so I guess they have no interest in doing that.
I was surprised that Mr. Imperato replied to that email confirming it was being made.
A few weeks ago I emailed Henry again to pitch them the idea for making carriers that can feed and cycle extremely short cases like .38 Short Colt, .45 Cowboy Special, etc. to increase the capacity of the tubular magazine and offer an extremely low recoil shooting option, both of which would be great for CAS or even home defense for people in extremely restrictive areas like NYC.
Never did get a response to that email, so I guess they have no interest in doing that.
I'm not sure what you mean here, but EVERY current production semi-auto on the market utilizes a closed bolt (and your Hi Point most definitely uses a closed bolt). In the case of 9mm carbines, most operate via blowback versus a locked breech as seen in more powerful calibers. This is the only thing that comes to mind when I read what you wrote.
I was wondering about that one too. I have a High Point carbine and it is using a closed bolt. As I understand, CZ had to redesign the Scorpion EVO because the A1 variant uses an open bolt and the ATF said no to it, resulting in the development of the S1 variant. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any open bolt firearms on the normal US market, I faintly recall the MAC 10 as being open bolt, but I can't document that.
. . . but I have no idea how we got to SMGs' from a discussion about bolt action. . . Ah! now I have it, "media speak." Open bolt SMGs', Bolt action They both have bolts. The nefarious "Bolt Action Loophole" to the National Firearms Act. Expect to hear about this loophole on the nightly news soon.
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To the ATF, open bolt equals Machine Gun. I believe because conversion to full auto is nearly trivial; you can pretty easily lock the firing pin forward, and get yourself an advance primer ignition SMG with almost no effort.
Other countries that allow scary looking guns DNGAF about this, which is why we either get expensive semi version of some of these carbines, or get them not at all. They made a not-an-SMG to their national laws, are surprised ours are weirder so it's sometimes much extra effort to make a US-compliant carbine.
I presume Havok meant locked-breech 9mm. Unless roller locks annoy him, get one of the HK94 or many good clones on the market. But I have owned and shot several types and as long as remotely well designed and built, no huge difference really.
Other countries that allow scary looking guns DNGAF about this, which is why we either get expensive semi version of some of these carbines, or get them not at all. They made a not-an-SMG to their national laws, are surprised ours are weirder so it's sometimes much extra effort to make a US-compliant carbine.
I presume Havok meant locked-breech 9mm. Unless roller locks annoy him, get one of the HK94 or many good clones on the market. But I have owned and shot several types and as long as remotely well designed and built, no huge difference really.
A minor point, it was HankC who mentioned an open bolt not me.
My bad, I meant blow back vs delayed blow back. Only CMMG offers Delayed Blow Back 9mm AR. Ruger Carbine is also Direct Blow Back I believe.
You are correct that the Ruger PC Carbine is a blowback gun. The original MP5 as well as at least several of its clones are locked breech weapons however. There are probably more that are available but that's the one that immediately came to my mind.
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I think one would be cool enough to add to the collection. I am always on the lookout for a lever gun conversion for 9mm.
I saw this thread and it definitely got my hopes up. I'd buy a 9mm bolt action from RIA in a heartbeat.
While I have longed for a 9mm bolt action for a years, I had a negative experience with Special Interest Arms and it has put me off of doing business with gunsmiths I do not personally know. I'll stick with factory guns. Which is too bad, there is a market for that type of firearm.. unfortunately the majority of manufacturers don't see it as sufficiently profitable. If you know a gunsmith (an actual gunsmith, who is trustworthy and does good work) converting a .22TCM carbine to 9mm only requires a barrel swap, minor modifications to the bolt head, extractor, and feed ramp, and then setting final headspace. I was told that these modifications were not particularly difficult, but do require the correct tools.
There are a few..
PTR has their clone of the MP5 out now, and the Angstad Arms MDP 9 is a 9mm roller delayed AR style pistol carbine that feeds from glock mags. The Sig MCX is a piston design, and I believe Lone Wolf had a .45 ACP pistol caliber carbine that was short stroke piston as well.
Other than that, yeah pretty much everything on the 9mm market is straight blowback.
While I have longed for a 9mm bolt action for a years, I had a negative experience with Special Interest Arms and it has put me off of doing business with gunsmiths I do not personally know. I'll stick with factory guns. Which is too bad, there is a market for that type of firearm.. unfortunately the majority of manufacturers don't see it as sufficiently profitable. If you know a gunsmith (an actual gunsmith, who is trustworthy and does good work) converting a .22TCM carbine to 9mm only requires a barrel swap, minor modifications to the bolt head, extractor, and feed ramp, and then setting final headspace. I was told that these modifications were not particularly difficult, but do require the correct tools.
There are a few..
PTR has their clone of the MP5 out now, and the Angstad Arms MDP 9 is a 9mm roller delayed AR style pistol carbine that feeds from glock mags. The Sig MCX is a piston design, and I believe Lone Wolf had a .45 ACP pistol caliber carbine that was short stroke piston as well.
Other than that, yeah pretty much everything on the 9mm market is straight blowback.
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what about Wilkenson Arms the Linda Carbine is a blast to take with on any range trip
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What about taking a Ruger PC9 and painting the stock a wood-like brown color
That's not a bolt action though....
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I hope you're correct. I would dearly love a 9mm bolt action.
Something I forgot to mention; the RIA 22 TCM carbine action is only rated for I think 38,000 PSI. It was a disclaimer on SIA's now defunct website, stating that the carbine's action was NOT rated for +P or +P+ 9mm. I think if RIA was to offer this they'd have to beef up the action a bit to avoid liability issues.
IANAL and any of our armchair legal experts are welcome to weigh in on this.
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I emailed them. I would love a threaded pistol caliber bolt action rifle. It’s such a simple concept and one of the untapped areas of the gun industry; I am not aware of any manufacturer who currently produces pistol caliber bolt action rifles. Offer it with a threaded barrel and it would be a lovely suppressor host!
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Take a look at the Ruger 77/357
As an owner of a 77/44 I can recommend this rifle. I do wish there were higher capacity magazines available for it. That, and that I might want the end of the barrel to be threaded, are about my only reservations about the 77/44.
I consider the 77/44 to be relevant because it is basically the same as the 77/357, with the difference being the chambering. It is definitely a favourite. But I would still like a 9mm bolt action too.
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