Originally posted by RalphS:
These things always happen with Glocks.
The Glock fanboys always blame it on training.
But it's always a Glock.
Doesn't happen with a J frame. My 642 has a 12 lb trigger pull. I could pull the gun out of my pocket, lifting it by the trigger, and it would never fire.
Doesn't happen with a LCP with the long DA trigger pull.
Doesn't happen with an XD, XDm, XDs because they have a grip safety.
Always happens with a Glock and the fanboys always blame it on training.
An original Tokarev has no safety at all.I'd rather carry a 1911 or Tokarev in condition 1 over a Glock.
But all the imported ones do. And the trigger block safety is better than nothing.An original Tokarev has no safety at all.
When I am holstering my XDm, once the muzzle is aligned with the holster I intentionally loosen my grip so as to allow the grip safety to engage. I end the holstering process by using my thumb only to push down on the back of the slide fully seating the pistol in the holster, If your gun comes with a safety device you have to give it a chance to work or you have defeated its very purpose.The biggest joke of all of this is the XD fanboys claiming it can't happen because of the grip safety. Well the first run of XDS's had several cases of the gun going off just from racking the slide. The recalled the ENTIRE first run. And the reality is a vast majority if "Glock leg" incidents happen when LE officers are holstering their weapons. Do you seriously believe that the grip safety isn't being depressed when a gun is being holstered?
I'm guessing by that comment you are suggesting that Glock is somehow superior than other options simply because of its prevalence in budget minded law enforcement agencies. If that is the case, do you drive a Crown Victoria and wear a polyester ensemble?Of course there's not much chance of an LE officer
getting "XD leg", what do they have like 2% of the issued LE business?
Mistake on the owner, yes.Despite all that hate, I still say it was user error. The man admitted he got sloppy, and if a person is using good safety habits, and has a proper holster that covers the trigger, modern guns will not fire on their own. Now if Glock had a defect and guns were firing on their own, ok, blame Glock. But in each case though, the reason the gun fired was due to the end user, not the gun.
I do the same with my XDsWhen I am holstering my XDm, once the muzzle is aligned with the holster I intentionally loosen my grip so as to allow the grip safety to engage. I end the holstering process by using my thumb only to push down on the back of the slide fully seating the pistol in the holster
When I am holstering my XDm, once the muzzle is aligned with the holster I intentionally loosen my grip so as to allow the grip safety to engage. I end the holstering process by using my thumb only to push down on the back of the slide fully seating the pistol in the holster
Originally posted by Delford:
Both my IWB holsters cover the triggers and mag releases so I'm not worried about a ND. I'm interested in the :45 it took to register the pain. I was using a mechanical floor nailer and almost done with a 10x14 space using red oak boards. I had been careful to keep my feet away from the hitting surface but was careless and hit my big toe in my boot. I knew it was going to hurt so I immediately began to flex my toes and walk around. It took about a minute for the pain to hit and I was moving around when it hit. All that to say that a bullet wound not in a CNS location may not register in the recipient (i.e. bad guy) so it may take numerous well placed hits on a charging person to stop the threat. This is not news to most of you but just a related reminder.
I have seen men with multiple mortal wounds continue to fight. On one occasion, I made the mistake of stepping over the body of a man whom I had seen shot multiple times, and he tried to shoot me in the back. Fortunately, one of my men was following me.
Yet even a 1911 with the manual safety off wouldn't have discharged in this situation due to the grip safety. That's the key thing here. A Glock has NO safety devices whatsoever. Nada. Zilch. Compared to plenty of other firearms out there, they are significantly less safe.
These things always happen with Glocks.
burk also said: I'm guessing by that comment you are suggesting that Glock is somehow superior than other options simply because of its prevalence in budget minded law enforcement agencies. If that is the case, do you drive a Crown Victoria and wear a polyester ensemble?
In this case the gun kind'a did go off on it's own. No weapon, especially a gun designed to be carried with a round in the chamber and ready to shoot, should be so sensitive as to go off because it was just being carried in a pocket...
I have seen men with multiple mortal wounds continue to fight. On one occasion, I made the mistake of stepping over the body of a man whom I had seen shot multiple times, and he tried to shoot me in the back. Fortunately, one of my men was following me.
XD's are great, my first carry pistol was an HS2000. With the grip safety, you can introduce another point of failure whether it's mechanical or induced by the operator's poor grip due to stress or external conditions introduced.
This is complete garbage. There has never been one case of an XD failing to fire because of the grip safety. If grip safeties were dangerous, why are they still on 1911's after a hundred years of use?
I think that Glock fanboys should remove the seat belts, airbags and every other safety feature on their cars because they are all points of failure that could cause an accident.
This is complete garbage. There has never been one case of an XD failing to fire because of the grip safety. If grip safeties were dangerous, why are they still on 1911's after a hundred years of use?
And when you remove the presence of a grip safety you introduce a point of failure in re-holstering which has been proven to be a common risk associated with striker fired pistols. You re-holster thousands of times but most of us will hopefully go our entire lives without needing to use our pistol in self defense mode. What are the chances you are going to grip the pistol incorrectly that one time you need it? If you have trained properly I am guessing not much chance of that happening.With the grip safety, you can introduce another point of failure whether it's mechanical or induced by the operator's poor grip due to stress or external conditions introduced.
there is no one size fits all answer and there is no "best pistol ever designed" and you should quickly turn a deaf ear to anyone who tries to argue otherwise.