Antigunners are losing their minds over terminology

[Double Naught Spy]

Antigunners are losing their minds over terminology

Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[herrwalther]

Reading that nonsense "news" reminds me why lead paint was outlawed in the 70s. He ate far too many chips on window sills.

 

[JR24]

Funny thing is modern sporting rifles, at least the vast majority, are designed and purchased for punching small holes in paper or ringing steel.

Those ones designed for killing humans? Yeah the military has them.

Sure they can both serve the same function, but the argument dies fundamentally the instant you think about it.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I just read this little gem:

How about we STOP talking about "assault rifles" . . .

STOP IT WITH THE “ASSAULT WEAPON, ASSAULT RIFLE” HORSESHIT. THESE THINGS ARE WEAPONS OF WAR and are designed for one purpose: To kill as many people as efficiently as possible in as short a time as possible.

I can assault you with a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun. What is being used to slaughter people is a WEAPON OF WAR and it’s goddam time we used that term all the time, day in, day out. Make the gunhumpers explain why they want weapons of war on the streets.

How do we get them off the streets? Outlaw them; the law should describe in detail what is prohibited and is updated every time a manufacturer figures out a way around it; pay a bounty for every one turned in — turn in an AR or AK, get $1,500 tax free; a 20- or 30-round magazine gets $100; and so on. After two years, if you are found with any prohibited firearm or accessory in your possession, it’s jail time. I know — it’ll never pass, but let an old man dream.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/5/7/2167996/-How-about-we-STOP-talking-about-assault-rifles

They are flailing blindly. And, btw, "weapons of war" are precisely what the 2nd Amendment is all about.

Meh. Nothing new here.

Assault rifle, assault weapon, weapon of war... this person is a day late and a dollar short. All these and more have been used to demonize firearms citizens can buy. He's a rank amateur.

I'll see his "weapon of war" and raise him a "weapon of mass destruction".

Toss in exploding bullets, armor piercing bullets, and "blow your lungs out" bullets.

What makes this guy think he's being either new or special about this? His ability to put enough hatred into his words you could cut it with a combat knife? That, too, is old hat.

 

[N555]

The dems are having an emergency anti gun leper colony meeting today.
They seem desperate to pass something, anything, anywhere they can. Sounds like that time the devil went down to Georgia.
I do think think they realize a majority of voters are just done with gun control. It's been exposed for what it is and people are done. But they're going to double down on it.

 

[tarosean]

I do think think they realize a majority of voters are just done with gun control.

Are you employing the ostrich defense? 2 states with high populations just passed AWB/Mag restrictions. Heck they just introduced a AWB in the TX committee so it will hit the floor by session end.

We are only a couple votes away from the dems having full control at the national level.

 

[Ironicaintit]

Ugh deleted.

these people have been fed fear, who then demand government action to do something. Firearms are the low hanging fruit to them.

Not understanding history, they know not what they do. (Or at least, do not fathom the consequences)
And...it's a lot easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.

 

[Insignificant bill]

The defense against tyranny is consistently OVERPLAYED by pro-gun folks using it to justify too much nonsense.

30 Rd Mag ban proposed... TYRANNY! CIVIL WAR TIME!

Money is made and notoriety is gained this way but it's terrible for our country and the debate. We all have to live in this country and abide by her laws, the table shouldn't be set up for revolution or insurrection if we can't always get our way. We've lost all perspective when we are both simultaneously living under the least restrictive gun laws in decades AND talking about overthrowing the govt.

You've all heard it, you've all seen it. Perhaps not so much on here but Jesus, the social media sites these days...

That's the purpose of the second Amendment . There is no such thing as over playing it. The problem we have is we have a large portion of people who are clueless to its meaning. We suck as citizens because we have allowed infringements on this uninfringeable freedom.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Are you employing the ostrich defense? 2 states with high populations just passed AWB/Mag restrictions. Heck they just introduced a AWB in the TX committee so it will hit the floor by session end.

We are only a couple votes away from the dems having full control at the national level.

Well make sure it doesn't happen. I m a resident of TX and my Rep and Senator know I'm not going to put up with any one violating their oath of office.

 

[N555]

Are you employing the ostrich defense? 2 states with high populations just passed AWB/Mag restrictions. Heck they just introduced a AWB in the TX committee so it will hit the floor by session end.

We are only a couple votes away from the dems having full control at the national level.

Was talking get about the regular people not lizard people.

 

[buck460XVR]

Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

^^^.....I tend to agree. While antis exhibit a desire to give a defining term to certain weapons, those on the pro-gun side tend to get overly excited about said terms. This one and the multitude of other threads on this and other gun forums is evidence. Similar to putting a name on weapons, calling others names, does absolutely nothing to support the cause. We are just lowering ourselves to their level without gaining any advantage. Just a lotta wasted bandwidth as we preach to the choir.

 

[GEM]

MSR - punching holes and ringing steel - oh, dear - please don't ban my toy that looks like a military gun.

That doesn't contribute at all. First, the guns are protected by the 2nd Amendment for their lethal intent. Oh, they are not military but empirically they can kill 10s of folks very quickly. Recall Patton said an 8 shot semi was the greatest battle instrument. So a 30 round semi is a toy? Just choir BS and useless. Finally, there are 20 millions out there. I'd bet most are not used in plinking and competiton. The number of competitors in the USA is probably in the 10s of thousands from sports figures. The guns are mostly sitting somewhere, fired rarely and bought for their lethal potential.

So lets move past that and defend their ownership for what they are. So they aren't fully auto - good point. Does it make a difference - no, just a clip vs. magazine point that is useless today.

 

[Necessary_Nutrient]

That's the purpose of the second Amendment . There is no such thing as over playing it. The problem we have is we have a large portion of people who are clueless to its meaning. We suck as citizens because we have allowed infringements on this uninfringeable freedom.

Our laws overlays and support our entire constitution, you can’t have one without the other. They are ope to interpretation and that’s why we have judges. In any case, the wording- particularly since regulatory oversight of the citizen Militia is demanded by the 2A itself- is far from clear whether we pretend otherwise or not.

think mall shooters are what the Founders had in mind? That’s one of the things we get for our freedoms and we need to be honest about these realities.

 

[JTHunter]

Some commentators (notably Braden at Langley Outdoors) have been pointing out how fantastically well the boycott of Bud Light is working, and suggesting we need to do the same against companies who support gun bans. Be creative, find out for example if your bank refuses to bank firearms-related companies and if so, move your accont, and very important, publicize this widely so others will do likewise.

Hurting them on their "bottom line" has frequently been effective in fostering change. Go for it !

 

[damyankee425]

Well, say what you will. I SEE STATE BY STATE writing bills weapons ,semi anything ,mags stocks. It will turn into a me too type of action.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Hurting them on their "bottom line" has frequently been effective in fostering change. Go for it !

The one caveat here is, you have to make the change permanent. I saw some statistics about this that said usually after a few weeks sales go back to normal.

 

[old lady new shooter]

it's a lot easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.

 

[fastbolt]

I just read this little gem:

How about we STOP talking about "assault rifles" . . .

STOP IT WITH THE “ASSAULT WEAPON, ASSAULT RIFLE” HORSESHIT. THESE THINGS ARE WEAPONS OF WAR and are designed for one purpose: To kill as many people as efficiently as possible in as short a time as possible.

I can assault you with a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun. What is being used to slaughter people is a WEAPON OF WAR and it’s goddam time we used that term all the time, day in, day out. Make the gunhumpers explain why they want weapons of war on the streets.

How do we get them off the streets? Outlaw them; the law should describe in detail what is prohibited and is updated every time a manufacturer figures out a way around it; pay a bounty for every one turned in — turn in an AR or AK, get $1,500 tax free; a 20- or 30-round magazine gets $100; and so on. After two years, if you are found with any prohibited firearm or accessory in your possession, it’s jail time. I know — it’ll never pass, but let an old man dream.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/5/7/2167996/-How-about-we-STOP-talking-about-assault-rifles

They are flailing blindly. And, btw, "weapons of war" are precisely what the 2nd Amendment is all about.

The author doesn't seem to understand the difference between the select-fire weapons he saw in his time, and what he claims are available to the average American in sporting goods stores.

My M-16 is today’s AR-15; it and the same AK-47 that was used against me in Vietnam can be purchased in damn near any gun shop or sporting goods store in the county. These things are WEAPONS OF WAR and we need to call them for what they are — not a “modern sporting rifle,” not a “man card,” not an “assault rifle” but a WEAPON OF WAR.

Sigh. It's difficult to try and use facts against some folks who would rather believe their truth.

I'm of the same generation as the author ("Average Old Democrat"), but I have a rather different perspective, and no doubt different opinions, than him. Angry folks of his ilk may think that labeling the guns they hate are WEAPONS OF WAR, may make them seem fulfilled and vindicated ... but it's still just a belief system they're trying to instill. Not a fact.

Of course, even assuming they could magically remove all magazine-fed semiautomatic centerfire rifles from Public hands, the violent criminals will simply resort to using other guns ... and then the anti-gun proponents will simply call whatever's left in criminal hands WEAPONS OF WAR, and use some historical example of when they were used in armed conflicts. That would allow them to go after bolt-actions, lever-actions, DA and SA revolvers ... and even muzzle loaders.

Now, going after the violent criminals, and the mentally ill who are violent? That doesn't seem to play as well to progressives and their socialist brethren. Sigh.

 

[Poper]

Are you employing the ostrich defense? 2 states with high populations just passed AWB/Mag restrictions. Heck they just introduced a AWB in the TX committee so it will hit the floor by session end.

We are only a couple votes away from the dems having full control at the national level.

Mark W. Smith might help you to understand that your fears, though rational, are mostly unfounded.
I believe the time of SCOTUS allowing these city and state laws, enacted in obvious defiance of SCOTUS precedent, to be condoned by lower courts is nearing an end. You may see SCOTUS slap some of these lower court judges if they continue to repeatedly defy SCOTUS decisions. (Think City of Naperville and State of Illinois.)
I believe the 2A is in good hands with this SCOTUS and I like to think their patience is beginning to wear thin. The Anti's are just running around with their hair on fire yelling "NA, NA, NA, NA, NA!!!" like any toddler that doesn't get his way. Ignorant people might listen to them, but logical, mature adults will see them for what they are: Immature control freaks.
That's my $0.02, anyway...
YMMV

 

[Poper]

Even Megyn Kelly gets it.

 

[old lady new shooter]

MSR - punching holes and ringing steel - oh, dear - please don't ban my toy that looks like a military gun.

That doesn't contribute at all. First, the guns are protected by the 2nd Amendment for their lethal intent. Oh, they are not military but empirically they can kill 10s of folks very quickly. Recall Patton said an 8 shot semi was the greatest battle instrument. So a 30 round semi is a toy? Just choir BS and useless. Finally, there are 20 millions out there. I'd bet most are not used in plinking and competiton. The number of competitors in the USA is probably in the 10s of thousands from sports figures. The guns are mostly sitting somewhere, fired rarely and bought for their lethal potential.

So lets move past that and defend their ownership for what they are. So they aren't fully auto - good point. Does it make a difference - no, just a clip vs. magazine point that is useless today.

I bought my AR specifically for home defense. My house is hardened, a run-of-the-mill burglar would go look for an easier job, but a mob like we saw in 2020 wouldn't care. It would take BGs at least 1.5 minutes to break in, but police response time here is about 5 minutes. So I need a weapon capable of dealing with multiple intruders.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

^^^^
Deputy response time is longer here in the "boondocks" where I live so, Ditto.

 

[Sistema1927]

 

[old lady new shooter]

^^^^
Deputy response time is longer here in the "boondocks" where I live so, Ditto.

It was way longer in L.A. also.

 

[CapnMac]

Heck they just introduced a AWB in the TX committee so it will hit the floor by session end.

The same bill has been submitted to the last 15 or 20 Legislatures. Along with bills to ban all guns in the State, outlaw hunting, and the like. It's so certain politicians can wave the things around as a reason to be re-elected (and there are some cynical types supporting those to get votes for "defeating" them, too).

Language is only important to people who wish to engage in fair discourse.