Antigunners are losing their minds over terminology
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BreechFace
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A government that doesn't produce anything, and desires more power/stay in power will always want a defenseless citizenry. The deaths of the innocent people at the hands of debauched murderers is a far cry from what happens under tyranny from above. The personal fielded weapons the citizens have at their disposal should be in parity with that of the military said citizens pay the salary of, and the rights of the citizens should be equal to that of the politicians body guards that we elect.
Call them "assault weapons, weapons of war, pestilence throwers, murder machines, etc," all of that is just political theater. Yes, firearms are designed to inflict damage upon the target of the user's choosing, been that way since were invented. Some of those targets have been communists, rapists, molesters, murderers, chilmo's, terrorists, tyrannical governments, etc., the lives saved from the previously mentioned list are on another world from that of the innocent lives taken through debauched murderers hellbent on taking innocent lives these days.
Freedom isn't free, this doesn't just speak to the lives of the soldiers that paid the cost for establishing and defending our freedom but also those that unfortunately pay the cost of freedom due to the hands of the wicked in this world. Our society is in a situation where the family unit is broken, parents are choosing to not parent, everyone's problems are because of someone else, and our children lack any fundamental beliefs that anything is their fault and grow up without consequences, or are told they can be whatever and whoever they want with no concern about their inherent nature. Until our society learns we cannot be morally reprehensible with our beliefs and get back to God's word in how to live, we will continue to reap the whirlwind of depravity in our culture. And in such a culture that is being cultivated there will be an increased need for the moral and righteous people to be able to defend ourselves.
Call them "assault weapons, weapons of war, pestilence throwers, murder machines, etc," all of that is just political theater. Yes, firearms are designed to inflict damage upon the target of the user's choosing, been that way since were invented. Some of those targets have been communists, rapists, molesters, murderers, chilmo's, terrorists, tyrannical governments, etc., the lives saved from the previously mentioned list are on another world from that of the innocent lives taken through debauched murderers hellbent on taking innocent lives these days.
Freedom isn't free, this doesn't just speak to the lives of the soldiers that paid the cost for establishing and defending our freedom but also those that unfortunately pay the cost of freedom due to the hands of the wicked in this world. Our society is in a situation where the family unit is broken, parents are choosing to not parent, everyone's problems are because of someone else, and our children lack any fundamental beliefs that anything is their fault and grow up without consequences, or are told they can be whatever and whoever they want with no concern about their inherent nature. Until our society learns we cannot be morally reprehensible with our beliefs and get back to God's word in how to live, we will continue to reap the whirlwind of depravity in our culture. And in such a culture that is being cultivated there will be an increased need for the moral and righteous people to be able to defend ourselves.
theotherwaldo
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Possessing and being able to use weapons of war is what gives the common folk the ability to resist tyrants and their mobs.
That's why would-be tyrants want them removed from the common folk.
That's why would-be tyrants want them removed from the common folk.
Necessary_Nutrient
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The defense against tyranny is consistently OVERPLAYED by pro-gun folks using it to justify too much nonsense.
30 Rd Mag ban proposed... TYRANNY! CIVIL WAR TIME!
Money is made and notoriety is gained this way but it's terrible for our country and the debate. We all have to live in this country and abide by her laws, the table shouldn't be set up for revolution or insurrection if we can't always get our way. We've lost all perspective when we are both simultaneously living under the least restrictive gun laws in decades AND talking about overthrowing the govt.
You've all heard it, you've all seen it. Perhaps not so much on here but Jesus, the social media sites these days...
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There's a fundamental issue in that one side actually does not care what words are used, as long as whatever they want is imposed on those they want oppressed.
There's a fundamental disconnect in their arguments, as they want things to be done to those people. They argue from a presumption that they, themselves, would be exempt from all their regulations and diktats.
It's toddler logic at best. And as inconsistent as most toddlers.
Turns out an intoxicated person in a Range Rover is equally dangerous as a disgruntled ex-security guard. The want what they want, and they want it right now, no matter what. And hang the consequences.
What that leaves, though, is the very sad fact that these are people who cannot be debated, they are unwilling to consider any position other than their own. Their notion of "compromise" is "give us everything we want, and we'll call that 'fair'--otherwise we will [continue to do Bad Thing] until you comply with us."
Which is frustrating to "our" side, because we are, typically, rational actors. But "their" side wants us to be Charlie Brown and they get to be Lucy with the football.
That's why "they" will never examine practical matters in their demands. Like, just how would any entity, political or otherwise, actually confiscate 400+ million legal firearms from circa 150-200 million legal gun owners. (Part of that, of course, is that "they" have no concept of just how many firearms are in the US--they would probably imagine there are no more than a few thousand.) They also refuse to believe that criminals, who do not obey laws by definition, would suddenly obey some new imagined law.
There's a fundamental disconnect in their arguments, as they want things to be done to those people. They argue from a presumption that they, themselves, would be exempt from all their regulations and diktats.
It's toddler logic at best. And as inconsistent as most toddlers.
Turns out an intoxicated person in a Range Rover is equally dangerous as a disgruntled ex-security guard. The want what they want, and they want it right now, no matter what. And hang the consequences.
What that leaves, though, is the very sad fact that these are people who cannot be debated, they are unwilling to consider any position other than their own. Their notion of "compromise" is "give us everything we want, and we'll call that 'fair'--otherwise we will [continue to do Bad Thing] until you comply with us."
Which is frustrating to "our" side, because we are, typically, rational actors. But "their" side wants us to be Charlie Brown and they get to be Lucy with the football.
That's why "they" will never examine practical matters in their demands. Like, just how would any entity, political or otherwise, actually confiscate 400+ million legal firearms from circa 150-200 million legal gun owners. (Part of that, of course, is that "they" have no concept of just how many firearms are in the US--they would probably imagine there are no more than a few thousand.) They also refuse to believe that criminals, who do not obey laws by definition, would suddenly obey some new imagined law.
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Hmm, "Weapons of War"?
Stones, napped flints and obsidians; jawbones of ruminants; arrows, spears, javelins; swords and longarms . . .
Muskets, single-shots, lever-actions, bolt guns . . .
Over the course of history military forces have used every possible thing.
This imagined equivalency of AR = weapon of war has probably reached its apex in the IL AW ban lawsuits, where the State of Illinois has asserted, as a matter of fact under law, that there is no difference between an M-16 (by extension, an M4) and an AR-15. ¿Uhr wut? (They did fail to continue that analogy--despite a Court Order to provide 'complete information'--that a Maadi or WASR is the same as a AK-74 (or the equally 'dire' AK-47).
Stones, napped flints and obsidians; jawbones of ruminants; arrows, spears, javelins; swords and longarms . . .
Muskets, single-shots, lever-actions, bolt guns . . .
Over the course of history military forces have used every possible thing.
This imagined equivalency of AR = weapon of war has probably reached its apex in the IL AW ban lawsuits, where the State of Illinois has asserted, as a matter of fact under law, that there is no difference between an M-16 (by extension, an M4) and an AR-15. ¿Uhr wut? (They did fail to continue that analogy--despite a Court Order to provide 'complete information'--that a Maadi or WASR is the same as a AK-74 (or the equally 'dire' AK-47).
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I'm having a hard time understanding the argument you are trying to make. Do you disagree with the stated intent of the 2nd Amendment or do you believe that we should not use the stated purpose of the 2nd Amendment as a means to prevent infringement upon it?
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when WE stop entertaining these one sided, self-destructive, Tyrannical playbook tactics. Then we will realized that the debate has been over a long tine ago! Don’t associate with anti-gunner! Boycott, vote, fight! Good Vs. Evil is the real Debate
Elkins45
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The propaganda machine is gearing up against “defense against tyranny” as a valid reason for gun ownership.
Ignition Override
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Five days ago we were having dinner in Oxford England (UK), at an Indian restaurant downtown. This was before the mass shooting near Dallas Texas.
An American lady in her 40s sat about three tables away, and said this to the waiter " We want to leave the US and live here- they are running around in America with machine guns !". "It is so dangerous!".
There was absolutely no way to ask her a 'brief question in the correct nutshell' or address her comments when she left and walked past our table, so I said nothing, which would have included the terminology, huge black market for guns, mental issues etc.
Elkins45: If we have another horrible situation such as Newtown, Congress might finally pass Universal Background Checks as a first "test". But politicians can seldom see past Their next election, as their First priority.
They never forgot what happened to Presidential Candidate Al Gore after he spoke against certain gun ownership.
People often forget that even a certain 'flavor'of majority in the Senate, wink/nudge, was unable to pass a UBC, and certainly was afraid to repeat the previous ban of so-called "assault" Features on rifles.
An American lady in her 40s sat about three tables away, and said this to the waiter " We want to leave the US and live here- they are running around in America with machine guns !". "It is so dangerous!".
There was absolutely no way to ask her a 'brief question in the correct nutshell' or address her comments when she left and walked past our table, so I said nothing, which would have included the terminology, huge black market for guns, mental issues etc.
Elkins45: If we have another horrible situation such as Newtown, Congress might finally pass Universal Background Checks as a first "test". But politicians can seldom see past Their next election, as their First priority.
They never forgot what happened to Presidential Candidate Al Gore after he spoke against certain gun ownership.
People often forget that even a certain 'flavor'
of majority in the Senate, wink/nudge, was unable to pass a UBC, and certainly was afraid to repeat the previous ban of so-called "assault" Features on rifles.
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ColoradoMinuteMan
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Since governments are the most prolific mass murderers in history, it only takes 1 tyrants deterred to save many more lives than criminals with firearms could ever cause. (most references I see say greater than 100 million in 20th century)
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
https://www.ncpathinktank.org/pdfs/st211.pdf
Also, how many lives are saved every year by the defensive use of firearms? (CDCP says 500K to 3M)
https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/
Mark_Mark
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they been (devil worshipers) trying to disarm America since 1776! Ai << real evil
NIGHTLORD40K
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Tyrants overthrown: 0
Tyrants deterred: Priceless
jlmwrite
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I wonder if the left has noticed that the CMP will ship a real, actual "weapon of war" right to your house in a nice case?
Old Dog
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No, "least restrictive" is purely a matter of perspective, and it surely matters in which city or state one resides.
At any rate, you're failing to acknowledge the incrementalism inherent in the anti-gun faction's agenda. As in all politics, the "give them an inch" concept (AKA the "slippery slope") requires immediate attention and reaction. If the actions taken post-Bruen by the most affected states haven't made this obvious to you, one wonders why you even bother participating in the type of forum. The RKBA is metaphorically speaking, the frog in the pot with the heat being turned up by fractions.
We have not observed membership here typically engaging in the hyperbole and calling for overthrow of the government due to its foisting such things upon legal gun-owners such as magazine capacity restrictions, etc., but if one cannot put further regulation on law-abiding citizens into perspective -- recognizing that these types of restrictions have little to no effect on those who commonly commit crimes with firearms -- one is not paying attention.
Some would argue that it absolutely is time to be talking about overthrowing the government. When government does not function in terms of trying to protect and serve all citizens of its country -- choosing only those specific minorities or those living in certain regions and communities as worthy of serving -- when ballots become meaningless and our politicians dither about producing only unnecessary, redundant and discriminatory legislation while wasting billions of taxpayer dollars, perhaps it is time to "overthrow" the government. Legally and in a non-violent manner, of course. Of course, this requires that we do clean up our election processes to ensure all voters' voices are heard.
I would respectfully submit that most of us here have not, in fact, lost all perspective.
FL-NC
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I guess their minds have officially been lost. I'm too busy not caring.
Old Dog
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Then again, we have the government of Ukraine handing out "assault weapons" to its citizens. And one might argue that Putin fits the definition of a tyrant. Hmm.
Outlaw75
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Yep, going crazy. I'm guessing most you you didn't see this moron on MSNBC after the Allen, TX shooting.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1655208941192609793
"It wasn't mental health that killed these people, it was an automatic rifle with bullets..."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1655208941192609793
"It wasn't mental health that killed these people, it was an automatic rifle with bullets..."
Scooter22
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I noticed on one of the recent shootings detail of the ARSENAL they had. Besides ASSAULT WEAPONS a new highlighted category. BOLT ACTIONS. It grows. But mean while no info released on the trans shooter killing Christian kids or the 6 blacks that shot up the black sweet 16 party. 4 killed and 32 shot. Wheres BLM on this? Nothing to see there.
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They don't care whether actual criminals obey the law, it's in their interest to let the actual criminals roam free, hence all the new no-bail rules and downsizing felonies to misdemeanors... street crime makes the population scared, which they believe motivates the people to beg the government to "do something", i.e. enact "gun control". They don't seem to have noticed that this doesn't seem to be working for them, as more and more people who would never before have thought of arming themselves, are buying their first gun. And GUESS WHAT THE FASTEST RISING DEMOGRAPHIC OF GUN OWNERS IS: BLACK WOMEN. Yep, the people arguably most endangered by the street crime.
It was a crazy person with a weapon, which weapon isn't really important.
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Some commentators (notably Braden at Langley Outdoors) have been pointing out how fantastically well the boycott of Bud Light is working, and suggesting we need to do the same against companies who support gun bans. Be creative, find out for example if your bank refuses to bank firearms-related companies and if so, move your accont, and very important, publicize this widely so others will do likewise.
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