Antique full auto reproduction legality?

[DoubleTapDrew]

I think at this point in time all the possible loopholes in the NFA have been poked and prodded and the ATF has sealed them all.
I'm still waiting to see if they decide to outlaw the SSAR-15 or whatever that bumpfire AR stock is called.

 

[husbandofaromanian]

When you talk about making an antique replica firearm with spinning cylinders and adding a motor. THAT IS NOT A REPLICA OF ANYTHING MADE BEFORE 1898. That is a new design.

NOW. What I think is interesting, is that under the newly modified definition of antique firearm, we are allowed to use any ignition system we want so long as it is a normal pistol or rifle. HOW ABOUT ELECTRONIC?

 

[CoRoMo]

Yes, electronic ignition is being used in modern inline muzzleloaders today.

CVA Electra

It can still be mailed straight to your door because it is not a federally regulated 'firearm'.

 

[pezo]

"Add an electric motor on it than you cross a line". Ok, but we are talking theoretically of course, that the gatling gun with motor or true full auto rather than the allowed crank was a muzzle loader not firing fixed ammunition. Would that be an nfa issue based on it firing more than one shot per pull or would it not do to being a muzzle loader black powder piece? Also, if I read the law right if you had a pre-1899 fire arm if the ammunition for it was still made or produced somewhat than your pre-1899 is no longer an antique but instead a firearm?

 

[pezo]

Also, so he can't build a browning m1895 but would an original one be exempt from nfa based on its age and lack of commercially available ammunition. If so then it wouldn't need be on the registry however if some company started producing ammo would it become contra band?

 

[Shadow 7D]

if I read the law right if you had a pre-1899 fire arm if the ammunition for it was still made or produced somewhat than your pre-1899 is no longer an antique but instead a firearm?

No, it's STILL antique

BUT, any replica of it IS A NEW GUN (Firearm) and would have to be transferred IAW all applicable laws.

 

[EOD Guy]

if I read the law right if you had a pre-1899 fire arm if the ammunition for it was still made or produced somewhat than your pre-1899 is no longer an antique but instead a firearm?

No, it's STILL antique

Also, so he can't build a browning m1895 but would an original one be exempt from nfa based on its age and lack of commercially available ammunition. If so then it wouldn't need be on the registry however if some company started producing ammo would it become contra band?

No. If it used fixed ammunition, it cannot be classed as an antique, regardless of age or availability of ammunition.

I'll say it again. Don't confuse the NFA definition of an antique firearm with the GCA definition. The fixed cartridge clauses are different as to availability of ammunition.

 

[Shadow 7D]

huh
so any non BP gun is a FA under NFA?

 

[EOD Guy]

huh
so any non BP gun is a FA under NFA?

No. Any NFA regulated firearm that uses fixed cartridges is still regulated under the NFA and cannot be classed as an antique. There are firearms other than machine guns that are regulated under the NFA, such as short barrel rifles and shotguns. The fixed cartridge requirement also includes black powder cartridges.

Some firearms, mainly rifles and shotguns, have been removed from the NFA and either placed under the GCA as fully regulated, placed under the GCA as curios or relics, or reclassified as antiques. I don't know of any machine guns that have been reclassified. The "Firearms Curios or Relics List" will list those firearms that have been reclassified.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

An antique or even old machinegun may be listed on the ATF Curio & Relic list, but it is still an NFA Title II firearm, even if de-activated to not be capable of firing.

ATF Curio & Relic status become important because a few jurisdictions under local laws allow only collectible C&R Title II machineguns for private ownership.

 

[EOD Guy]

An antique or even old machinegun may be listed on the ATF Curio & Relic list, but it is still an NFA Title II firearm, even if de-activated to not be capable of firing.

ATF Curio & Relic status become important because a few jurisdictions under local laws allow only collectible C&R Title II machineguns for private ownership.

You're right. I forgot to add another category: firearms classed as curios or relics and still under the NFA and the GCA. There are a lot of machine guns in this class.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Right, that was basically what I was saying,
if it fires a cartridge it's a Fire Arm under NFA, where it may be an antique under GCA