Any custom automatic pistol in 7,62 X 39???

[saturno_v]

I was wondering if anyone tried to make a pistol in this caliber.
The round is compact enough that an average hand could still wrap around the grip (unless your hand is very small) without the need to have the magazine placed in front of the trigger guard (a la Ak-47 or M-16...)
I was playing with my MAK-90 10 round magazine and it seems reasonably small and in a 10-12 round solution the curve due to the round case tapering is negligible or at least "manageable".

What do you think of a big (but not too big) hunting automatic pistol (let's say 6 or 7 inches barrel) in this caliber???

What kind of ballistic (mainly energy) can be expected from this round in a pistol class barrel length?? (6, 7 or 8 inches)

It would be reasonable as defensive pistol round??? (with the appropriate bullets..)


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[ZeSpectre]

I've wished any number of times that someone would make a revolver chambered for 7.62x25. Something Pythonesque in appearance, 5" barrel with ports!

 

[Zundfolge]

Closest thing would be a couple of semi auto pistols in .30 Carbine (I also believe Taurus chambered a revolver in .30 Carbine as well).

I'm sure AMT built an Automag in .30 Carbine, and I'm thinking it was Coonan that built another.


Here's a video of the AMT being shot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaeZjKbly4A

 

[db_tanker]

haven't used one but they look neat...kinda pricey though.


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[saturno_v]

And the 7.62 X 39 is way more powerful than the 30 Carbine....

 

[Zundfolge]

And the 7.62 X 39 is way more powerful than the 30 Carbine....

well yeah, thats why I said "Closest thing would be ..." .30 Carbine is basically the same thing as .357mag only with a rim for an autoloader instead of a revolver (and also necked down to 7.62). But the case length is the same.

Other than AK47 "pistols" I don't think anyone has ever built a 7.62x39 semi-automatic pistol.

It sounded like you wanted a semi auto 7.62x39 pistol configured like a standard pistol (with the ammunition magazine feeding from the grip).

 

[saturno_v]

well yeah, thats why I said "Closest thing would be ..." .30 Carbine is basically the same thing as .357mag only with a rim for an autoloader instead of a revolver (and also necked down to 7.62). But the case length is the same.

Other than AK47 "pistols" I don't think anyone has ever built a 7.62x39 semi-automatic pistol.

It sounded like you wanted a semi auto 7.62x39 pistol configured like a standard pistol (with the ammunition magazine feeding from the grip).

Yes i was talking about a "classic" semi-auto pistol

However the 30 carbine is still a very good round....it is one of these underestimated cartridges nowdays.....some people talk about them it as it is a toy round....

An "urban legend" that was circulating said that the 30 carbine rounds used during the Korean War failed to penetrate frozen heavy clothes worn by the North Koreans....a guy that runs the web site "box of truth" finally put this ridiculous nonsense to rest....

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm

 

[Wes Janson]

I dunno about the experimental procedure in that particular BoT edition. There's a fairly major assumption to begin with that an 8-ply bathroom towel replicates winter gear. When temperatures are waaay below zero, I'm thinking that you're going to be wearing a hell of a lot more than a couple layers of thin towel (or else you're going to be an ugly piece of decoration by morning). And even ignoring that, the BoT test wasn't even at 50 yards. I don't think it's unreasonable to guess that Marines were sometimes taking shots twice that distance or more...and one has to ask what the velocity loss would do the projectile. Given a thicker coat and at a further distance, I wouldn't be surprised if the projectiles wind up losing most or all of their velocity.

 

[MudPuppy]

The AMT Hardballer and I think Ruger Blackhawk were the ones in 30 carbine.

I don't know of anything in 7.62x39, but I'd think the case taper would still be a problem, even with a smaller mag like you mention.

Boy, that'd be a hoot though.

 

[bl4ckd0g]

Magnum Research BFR or Desert Eagle is as close as you'll get outside of ordering a single shot TC pistol or pistol AK.

 

[Zundfolge]

If the idea is just a massively powerful repeating handgun, several calibers are more powerful than 7.62x39.

.357 Max (not Mag, but Max)
.44 Mag
.454 Casull
.455 Supermag
.460 XVR
.500 S&W

Of course all of them are revolver cartridges.

And you can get BFR type revolvers in .45-70 and .50 Beowulf ... I imagine if you were willing to spring for it, you could get a BFR in 7.62x39

But I think you're going to have a hard time getting a semi auto handgun in any configuration other than a cut down AK.

 

[saturno_v]

I dunno about the experimental procedure in that particular BoT edition. There's a fairly major assumption to begin with that an 8-ply bathroom towel replicates winter gear. When temperatures are waaay below zero, I'm thinking that you're going to be wearing a hell of a lot more than a couple layers of thin towel (or else you're going to be an ugly piece of decoration by morning). And even ignoring that, the BoT test wasn't even at 50 yards. I don't think it's unreasonable to guess that Marines were sometimes taking shots twice that distance or more...and one has to ask what the velocity loss would do the projectile. Given a thicker coat and at a further distance, I wouldn't be surprised if the projectiles wind up losing most or all of their velocity.
Today 01:43 PM

If you read the Box of Truth test, the 8 layers (not a couple) of frozen towels summed up to be thick more than one solid inch as the author mention...that is a LOT of clothing in my opinion

And the round passed through 7 full gallons of water after that.....yes it is only 45 yards still.....

 

[eliphalet]

The round is compact enough that an average hand could still wrap around the grip (unless your hand is very small) without the need to have the magazine placed in front of the trigger guard (a la Ak-47 or M-16...)
I was playing with my MAK-90 10 round magazine and it seems reasonably small and in a 10-12 round solution the curve due to the round case tapering is negligible or at least "manageable".

Your just holding a clip, Ok magazine for all you purists, which is then going to be inserted into the grip. By the time you do all that it is gonna be a handful or two.

It would be reasonable as defensive pistol round???

Not near as good as many of the heavier bullets from calibers already mentioned for the closer work of handgun self defense. If hunting buy a T/C Contender and learn to make the first shot count.

 

[PercyShelley]

.44 magnum has roughly the same case capacity as M43, but it's burning at lower pressures (off the top of my head 36,000 versus 40,000+). The 7.62x39 has 2KJ energy, and the .44 magnum about half that. .500 S&W will leave the 7.62x39 far, far behind in terms of energy though.

As for fitting in a pistol-grip magazine, cupping my hand over some rounds I have here, I think the OP either underestimates the average size of human hands, or underestimates the overall length of the round. If you don't have any loaded 7.62x39 handy, it's almost exactly the same overall length as 5.56x45 NATO.

 

[PTK]

That .30 Carbine AMT pistol sounds like a MONSTER in that video clip.

 

[bl4ckd0g]

I fired the AMT .30 Carbine Automag at a local factory shoot 10 years ago. While it was a blast to shoot with no recoil and a giant 2' ball of white eyebrow-incinerating awesomeness, the pistol felt kind of rough.

The construction quality seemed kind of questionable and it felt kind of cheap. Its action was also extremely filthy after 20 rounds (probably surplus).

You'd best stick to a TT33 or CZ52 in 7.62x25

 

[jrfoxx]

I've wished any number of times that someone would make a revolver chambered for 7.62x25. Something Pythonesque in appearance, 5" barrel with ports!

That does sound kinda cool.Seems like there has to be a revolver out there this could be done with fairly easily....
I sure cant think of what it would be though...I'll have to dig around in my copy of "Cartridges of the World" when I get home and see what looks plausible.Could be a fun way to kill a couple hours after work.

 

[chris in va]

Don't they make a really short AK with pistol grip?

Like this...

 

[Pigspitter]

you would need some serious banana hands to grip a pistol that fed 7.62x39 through the grip. Besides, you could get more power and more flash by upping the chambering to 7.62x54R and use a revolver.