Any point to owning a 9mm AK?

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Saw a 9mm AK at my LGS this morning for $700 plus.

Was waiting to get my PA hunting license. They screwed that up. Long line - system down - disgruntled LGS....Unhappy patrons.

Anyway - back to the point. What would be the benefit of a 9mm AK except for ammo cost?
 
A Bizon would be fun to have, even semi auto only.
Seriously though if I were looking for a 9mm carbine, or sub type pistol, the B&T APC 9Pro and APC 45Pro look interesting.
 
A 9x19 Drako, I can see. Maybe. Ok, I have to squint some. (Mind, a brace-less Drako is messing my mental vision up, too.)

Making 9x19 'work' in an AK mag is boggling my mind a bit.

It's a PCC AK in concept--likely handy, but you get every bit of PCC drama with an AK as with any other format.
 
Heavy for the cartridge?

Unless you’re just stuck on having an AK, there are many lighter, handier carbines, including folding ones, in that caliber.
 
I've got a 9mm AK that takes Glock mags. Other than the mags and caliber it handles exactly like any other AK. Minimal recoil and a lot less expensive to shoot, at our club we can shoot pistol caliber carbines and SBRs at the plate racks.
 
It would be a pass for me.

I think the sales pitch for one would be that you're a big AK fan, but wanted to shoot it at limited ranges. Indoor pistol ranges, maybe you only have a 50 yard backstop on your property, something like that.

Otherwise, there's too many other fun PCCs for that kind of money.
 
Hokkmike said:
9mm AK

What would be the benefit of a 9mm AK except for ammo cost?
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I would think the same reasons for 9mm AR based PCC:
  • Same/similar manual of arms for shooting drills/training
  • Lower recoil, less muzzle blast
  • If reloading, virtually unlimited reloadable brass at no cost of range pick up (Can't say that for reloadable 7.62x39 brass)
 
Hokkmike said:
Anyway - back to the point. What would be the benefit of a 9mm AK except for ammo cost?
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For me, the ability to shoot it at places where I can't a rifle.
My gun club I belong too, if I want to shot a rifle, it's all static. You sit at a bench and shot from 100-500 yards, cool awesome, it's also boring.

But if you have a PCC, I can go to one of the defensive pistol ranges, run around to different stages and shoot steel.
 
sevt_chevelle said:
For me, the ability to shoot it at places where I can't a rifle.
My gun club I belong too, if I want to shot a rifle, it's all static. You sit at a bench and shot from 100-500 yards, cool awesome, it's also boring.

But if you have a PCC, I can go to one of the defensive pistol ranges, run around to different stages and shoot steel.
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Yup, one of local ranges only has 4 rifle lanes, and they are hard to get on a weekend- but they let folks shoot PCCs on the pistol side so I try to bring at least one when we go there. They also allow me to sneak in with an M1 carbine now and then too. ;)
I like AKs and think a 9mm Krink would be awesome as a stocked SBR, but a 16" or pistol version doesn't appeal to me much.
 
I'd be interested in seeing some comparisons to other PCC's. I've heard that the KelTecs and Rugers have a surprisingly sharp recoil. It seems like this might be closer to a budget HK in size and weight.
 
An AK was designed to be a gas operated rifle. Using a gas operated rifle design and making a blow back 9mm pistol/carbine out of it makes no sense to me. The same with AR9 pistols.

I went with a Ruger PC Charger since it was designed from the beginning to be a blow back without all the not needed gas operated design details.

In my opinion the nicest to shoot 9mm carbine/pistol is the roller delayed action, i.e. MP5 / HK clone. These don't have the slap of the bolt hitting the back of the receiver like blow back carbines do. (I don't own one... yet).

I bought a AR9 receiver when Oregon passed a law to close down gun sales. I don't know why I bought it and I will probably never build it. The PC charger with a folding stock (I made the free brace registration window) is a much more practical solution for me.

21H40 said:
I'd be interested in seeing some comparisons to other PCC's. I've heard that the KelTecs and Rugers have a surprisingly sharp recoil. It seems like this might be closer to a budget HK in size and weight.
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In my opinion not really a sharp recoil at all. The blow back PC's I have shot (I own a Ruger PC9 and Ruger PC Charger) have an annoying jolt when the slide hits the back of the receiver. It is not sharp but it is annoying when compared to a gas operated design like a M1 carbine or a MP5 clone with its roller delayed action which shoot VERY smooth. Of course you are going to pay a considerable premium for these non-blowback weapons.

I have not shot a 9mm AK but the 9mm AR's I have shot have the same annoying slap that the other PC carbines I have shot have... Due to their blowback design.

The blowback PC designs have heavy bolts and counteract the recoil of the cartridge with shear bolt mass. This heavy bolt which has all the energy of the recoil from the cartridge has to stop and reverse direction at the back of its stroke. This is where the slap comes from. In an HK roller delayed design a considerable amount of the cartridge recoil energy is absorbed by the roller delayed action.
 
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Dave DeLaurant said:
FWIW, Ian did a talk about the Vityaz and took it to the range some time back:
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More of Ian's BS - he really needs to educate himself on some firearm designs and the reasoning behind them. The bolt (carrier) is made that way simply to accommodate a room for the recoil spring and to serve as a front guide for the carrier, not for adding weight, which can be easily put elsewhere. It's just a carry on from the original rifle. The additional weight is a bonus, not the primary focus of the design - they just mimicked the real AK because it's the easiest thing to do, instead of redesigning the whole thing from the start.
 
I don’t have the Ak. But palmetto state has one that runs cz scorpion mags. move had the scorpion and I loved it.
Then I built a 8” ar running endo mags and loved that. now I have a mp5 and love it!
9mm carbines to me are great. Zero recoil almost, shooting 147gr-160gr ammo suppressed is fantastically quiet. I can shoot mine to 200m theough I normally only shoot it to 75-100
I really can’t see myself not having at least one especially being I’ve got 9mm pistols. IMG_6098.jpeg
 
Speedo66 said:
Heavy for the cartridge?

Unless you’re just stuck on having an AK, there are many lighter, handier carbines, including folding ones, in that caliber.
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I am not disagreeing with you, but would point out that virtually every .22 lr rifle I have had was "heavy for the cartridge." "Heavy for the cartridge" is something that can make the shooting more enjoyable.
 
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