Elkins45
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I’m getting ready to submit my pistol brace application and I hate to drive an hour and pay $40 to do prints so I ordered some cards and am going to give it a try myself. Any tips on how to do an acceptable job?
Any tips on rolling your own fingerprints?
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Take your time, clean your fingers beforehand and between each roll (this keeps you from smudging something with a previously used finger). I do mine near the edge of a table so I can get maximum roll. Also a little ink goes a long way.
N555
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They will take really messed up finger print cards. The cards don't have to be perfect, not even close.
One of my form1 silencers went to pending and I had 2 finger print cards, my last 2. I thought they were blank, they weren't. One was the first card I ever tried, half of the prints were smudged and the other card had a few smudges and I accidentally printed the same finger twice. (Don't do finger print cards while drunk).
One of my form1 silencers went to pending and I had 2 finger print cards, my last 2. I thought they were blank, they weren't. One was the first card I ever tried, half of the prints were smudged and the other card had a few smudges and I accidentally printed the same finger twice. (Don't do finger print cards while drunk).
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Jonny2guns
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I didn't realize you were able to do your own prints, how do they know that the prints are from the person actually filling out the form?
GaryNC
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Only one of several how to roll your own fingerprints.
Don_P
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Exactly.
If you're permitted to roll your own prints I have to believe the submission means nothing.
You're supposed to have the prints verified by someone. There is a box on the fingerprint card for such a purpose. In reality I can't recall any of our cards (32 total between my wife and I, IIRC) having that box checked. All of our paperwork has been approved.
To your point regarding the submission being worthless, all of the NFA is in fact just that. The issue lies in the fact that non-compliance has some rather stiff penalties associated with it.
Soonerpesek
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Aren't your finger prints attached to a named individual (you)...................??
GaryNC
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How do they know that the other info / answers on the form are correct for the person?
I am off to do this in about an hour. It is only $10 where I am.
The Sheriff's Department wants the paperwork. That threw me the first time I went for a Form 1. They have a captain review it for completeness, I suspect that is a bit of a holdover from the manually completed forms. They then pull the LEO pages and scan them. Apparently, they used to copy the forms and put them in "your file," and now it is all electronically filed.
Then comes the shortest interview on earth. He asks why you want the item. When I went in for my Suppressor Form 1 he immediately followed the question with the statement, "examples of good answers are, 'it hurts my ears, even with hearing protection,' or, 'I am concerned with hurting my ears, even with hearing protection.'" I told him that the second one sounded right. He smiled and said, "good answer." That was the interview.
In this case, they had me talk to him on the phone when I set the appointment. in that conversation, he told me that the answer is, "I want to be sure that I am compiling with any, potential future, regulations." He made a point about the word "future" being important as it makes it clear that I am not knowingly violating any current laws.
After the paperwork review and interview, they call a deputy to walk the applicant to the jail and do the actual paperwork. It sounds like a lot, but it is actually pretty quick and easy.
The Sheriff's Department wants the paperwork. That threw me the first time I went for a Form 1. They have a captain review it for completeness, I suspect that is a bit of a holdover from the manually completed forms. They then pull the LEO pages and scan them. Apparently, they used to copy the forms and put them in "your file," and now it is all electronically filed.
Then comes the shortest interview on earth. He asks why you want the item. When I went in for my Suppressor Form 1 he immediately followed the question with the statement, "examples of good answers are, 'it hurts my ears, even with hearing protection,' or, 'I am concerned with hurting my ears, even with hearing protection.'" I told him that the second one sounded right. He smiled and said, "good answer." That was the interview.
In this case, they had me talk to him on the phone when I set the appointment. in that conversation, he told me that the answer is, "I want to be sure that I am compiling with any, potential future, regulations." He made a point about the word "future" being important as it makes it clear that I am not knowingly violating any current laws.
After the paperwork review and interview, they call a deputy to walk the applicant to the jail and do the actual paperwork. It sounds like a lot, but it is actually pretty quick and easy.
dogtown tom
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Well, you are allowed to fill out the form by yourself.
The point being?
dogtown tom
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Says who?
Not ATF, not the FBI. Neither have ever required fingerprints for Form 1's or 4's to be taken by LE. All the spplication asks is"
"The fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and taken by someone properly equipped to takem them."
That means an ink pad.
Its a standard FBI fingerprint card used for different purposes by many different agencies.
The stiffest penalty for noncompliance is your Form 1 or Form 4 is disapproved.
epags
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FWIW: How old are you and what is your type of job? Why would I ask?
I had to go to a sheriffs Office for my CCW. They did 'e-prints', same as rolling your own but on a glass plate that registers on their computer. Am so old that my firnger tips are worn down to the point they took over an hour (two techs) just to get a clean set (less one little finger).
So, you may or may not be able to get clear prints if you are 'old' or do work like masonry where the cement has 'eaten' off your finger prints.
NOTE: Wish the LE computers talked to each other.....my prints have breen on file from holding a security clearance, getting a CCW in CT (FBI) and now in CA (FBI) from over 30 years of finger printing.
I had to go to a sheriffs Office for my CCW. They did 'e-prints', same as rolling your own but on a glass plate that registers on their computer. Am so old that my firnger tips are worn down to the point they took over an hour (two techs) just to get a clean set (less one little finger).
So, you may or may not be able to get clear prints if you are 'old' or do work like masonry where the cement has 'eaten' off your finger prints.
NOTE: Wish the LE computers talked to each other.....my prints have breen on file from holding a security clearance, getting a CCW in CT (FBI) and now in CA (FBI) from over 30 years of finger printing.
Jonny2guns
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Yes, but if it's your first time submitting prints, and you do them in your home, how would they know they were actually your finger prints. They would have nothing on file to compare them with.
That is the "Livescan" system. However, the ATF wants old-fashioned fingerprint cards. They even send them to you for free. I ordered four, the reasoning is that if I only order the requisite number, of two, something is sure to go wrong. However, the presence of spares reduces the impact of Murphey's law.
Even here, for the CCW, I had to go into the jail area for the Livescan. However, for these, and my work-related fingerprinting, I only need the ink fingerprinting.
Don_P
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The point is, (my assumption is) that fingerprints are being collected to verify identity, check for any criminal arrests which would prohibit ownership, or disqualify one from whatever type of “license” is being applied for. All providing that persons fingerprints are already on file.
Licensing / application type applicant fingerprint cards submitted to the FBI are collected on card number FD-258 and are submitted to the FBI thru the various states record repositories or approved agencies. Most all states have regulations that specify the type of “official” that can collect and submit fingerprints for licensing / applications and most do not allow individuals to fingerprint themselves. There is a specific area on the card for the date and signature of the “official” who has collected the prints.
dogtown tom
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Common misconception.
ATF merely keeps the fingerprints on file. They are not submitted to the FBI or any kind of cross reference.
No law requires it.
Absolutely correct.
dogtown tom
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for the submission of ATF allows for electronic scanned fingerprints as long as they are in the approved format.
I order them by the hundreds and give a dozen or so to customers that prefer rolling their own for that same reason.
EMC45
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Firm even pressure. Go nail bed to nail bed in one rolling smooth movement. If you ink you finger and it looks like there's not enough ink on it, chances are there is plenty to register a print on the card stock.
When I learned how to do prints at the PD years ago my supervisor told me to start rolling my own prints for practice. Worked great. I got to the training facility and I could roll prints like a pro.
When I learned how to do prints at the PD years ago my supervisor told me to start rolling my own prints for practice. Worked great. I got to the training facility and I could roll prints like a pro.
