Anyone else going back to the 9mm??
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When i first started buying guns in the 90s, the 9mm was THE caliber to have, but when i began to learn about bullet performance , i.e. penetration + expansion ect, and what i felt should be the min. requirements, (12-14 in penetration with 1.5xs expansion ) , i found that the 9mm couldnt achieve the performance that i wanted . I then "discovered " the 40 cal , which easy to find a bullet that would do what i wanted it to do as there are many good rounds for it . i then added the 10mm to my list , an AWESOME round !
Time on the range as shown me how much better i can shoot the 9mm vs, the other calibers even when using the same gun such as the g19 and g23 .
With the improvements in 9mm ammunition i've now found myself buying 9mms again . they will do the job with proper loading . I'd rather hit an attacker three times center mass with a 9mm , then hit once and then miss two followup shots with a .40 .45 or even a 10mm. only hits count . just my opinion
Time on the range as shown me how much better i can shoot the 9mm vs, the other calibers even when using the same gun such as the g19 and g23 .
With the improvements in 9mm ammunition i've now found myself buying 9mms again . they will do the job with proper loading . I'd rather hit an attacker three times center mass with a 9mm , then hit once and then miss two followup shots with a .40 .45 or even a 10mm. only hits count . just my opinion
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As I mentioned earlier, I never left the 9mm, but lately I've been "going back" more and more to the .45ACP simply becuase I can find ammo more easily for those guns.
Since I first commented in this thread I did get a Rohrbaugh R9
I think 9mm may be the perfect caliber for the Pocket Pistol. I've yet to see a reliable production gun chambered in larger calibers that measures out at 5.2" OAL, 3.7" high and weighs 13.5 oz empty, having a capacity of 6+1 rounds.
Doesn't seem you can get a semi-auto that small in 45 ACP or 40 S&W.
And the 9mm round is, IMO considerably more effective than the 380 Auto.
I don't have trouble shooting the R9 accurately but I realize the small nines are not for everyone. But for people who have the arm and grip strength to handle the recoil of the pocket nines, guns like the Kahr PM9/CM9, Boberg XR9-S, the Rorhbaugh R9 and other similar guns, might present a good reason to go back to 9mm.
I think 9mm may be the perfect caliber for the Pocket Pistol. I've yet to see a reliable production gun chambered in larger calibers that measures out at 5.2" OAL, 3.7" high and weighs 13.5 oz empty, having a capacity of 6+1 rounds.
Doesn't seem you can get a semi-auto that small in 45 ACP or 40 S&W.
And the 9mm round is, IMO considerably more effective than the 380 Auto.
I don't have trouble shooting the R9 accurately but I realize the small nines are not for everyone. But for people who have the arm and grip strength to handle the recoil of the pocket nines, guns like the Kahr PM9/CM9, Boberg XR9-S, the Rorhbaugh R9 and other similar guns, might present a good reason to go back to 9mm.
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dt466ih said:
Can you go into more detail about this? I've always been under the impression that 9mm ammo didn't have enough stopping power to rely on as a defensive round. Thanks.
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I traded in my 9mm G26 and carry an LCP (.380) now, but it was purely for size reasons. If a Rohrbaugh or Boberg had been easier to find or cheaper, I probably would have gone with one of those. For me, my EDC gun is more about how small I can get it, and how accurate I can be with it, but if it came down to two guns of equal size I definitely would have gone with 9mm over .380.
My other handguns are .45 (1911) and .357 (full size 6 shot wheel gun)
My other handguns are .45 (1911) and .357 (full size 6 shot wheel gun)
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i read a post somewhere the other day that if you were in a real gunfight you would understand why someone would use a .40 or .45. Anybody here been in a gunfight? just curious to see if one really needs that extra oomph in a fight, or the higher capacity...
Link to said post?
Everything is a compromise and nothing is "right" for every situation/person.
9mm is cheap, easy to shoot, widely used (scrounging purposes), has a higher capacity for same sized pistol and has good terminal ballistics when using good ammo.
If I think I may need more than 9mm, I will be toting a long gun.
9mm is cheap, easy to shoot, widely used (scrounging purposes), has a higher capacity for same sized pistol and has good terminal ballistics when using good ammo.
If I think I may need more than 9mm, I will be toting a long gun.
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This.
I would trust 9mm for any two-legged predator; I have a 1911 in .45, but that's only because of the timing and other design issues I've read about with 9mm 1911's. Well that, and I think if you're gonna get your first 1911 it should be in the cartridge it was designed for. (If I ever get another 1911 it will likely be in 10mm but that's a long way down the road). If I'm somewhere that I have to worry about 4 legged predators, chances are I've got my Marlin 30-30.
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Let us focus here. The original question is.
Anyone else going back to the 9mm???...
I find asking if anyone has been in gunfight rude, juvenile, and blood thirsty.
On THR there are many veterans and police officers, and a few civilians who have had to address a threat and use deadly force. I doubt many would share the emotional aspects of the moment and the traumatic after effects just to satisfy your curiosity
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Warp said:
A friend of mine worked as a state trooper, he's shared some stories with me of witnessing meth heads being shot with 9mm rounds, still advancing to attack officers.
Yes and there are the same kind of stories about perps being shot with 40 and 45 cal and still attacking.
And .223 also. Trumpeted to boost their negativity (mostly BS) thoughts on a caliber.
I've read one account of an Iraqi "accidentally" being shot with a 105mm or 120mm sabot round rather than the coaxial machinegun, and not going down immediately.
There are no guarantees.
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When did they start using the 9?. 1903? Pretty impressive little number for being that old.
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Started out with the 38, quickly moved to the 357. Then the 44 mag. Thought the 9mm was a euro bastard child caliber. After several years of shooting, I have found that the 9 is more pleasant and accurate to shoot than other big boomers (excluding the 38). Traded for a G26 2 years ago. It has become my "go to gun" for everything. One by one the magnums have been sold or traded.
Still have an S&W 638, but it is rarely shot anymore. I like the 9.
Still have an S&W 638, but it is rarely shot anymore. I like the 9.
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