Sounds interesting. I bought a McGowen 1:8 .243 Ackley a while back but haven't really done any serious development for it yet. One of my goals for 2023.
I found a 243 win barrel with a 7.5 twist rate. It seems like they’re trying to turn it into a creedmoor, but I’m curious if anyone has run one?
Nice! I have a McGowen 1:7.5 25-06 light Palma on a factory Remington 700 action with a Timney trigger. I am awaiting a factory Remington walnut stock from Gunbroker that dad and I will inlet ourselves and try it out. I have some 135gr Berger bullets that are really sleek looking... cant find much load data on it... I actually had it put together previously but the Magpul Hunter stock was not inlet enough and I tried sanding it down but I blew right threw the polymer shell and ruined it in the process...Sounds interesting. I bought a McGowen 1:8 .243 Ackley a while back but haven't really done any serious development for it yet. One of my goals for 2023.
See, I'm a mixed bag, as you know from our reloading forum discussions, I'm a fan of 6.5 PRC, 30-06, 270, 223 and others like 45-70. Having multiple calibers allows you to have a broader selection of ammo during crazy times such as these and also just having something different to tinker with is fun too! So a fast twist 243 sounds like a nice fun range discussion starter. Id like to see how that set up does vs a stock 6mm Creedmoor. It should be pretty close if you have a long chamber for the longer 110-115gr bullets...Thanks for the info everyone. I figured it had to be a barrel burner. I was toying with setting one up as a deer slayer and try to tap the “creedmooresque” bullets. I have a lot of admiration for the new creedmoors &PRCs etc, but I hate to see the “old guard” pushed to the wayside. One reason why I’m tinkering with an old 250 savage…
Id like to see how that set up does vs a stock 6mm Creedmoor.
I’m far from a fanboy of anything; I just like what works. But I’m kinda sorta doing that with a 250-3000/250 savage. I’m thinking of a barrel on a interchangeable custom (probably bighorn/Zermatt) in the cartridge and just see what I can coax out of it. Probably a 1:8 twist or so. Maybe a 1:9 to shoot some varmint pills out of it without spinning them to Smithers. I agree! Sounds like fun!!!Think how much fun you could have using one of the x57 intermediate cartridges (like 6mm Rem / .257 Roberts / 7mm Mauser) with a fast twist barrel and all the extra room in the requisite long action for the trendy heavy bullets. It would make the Creedmore/Hornady fanboys hot under the collar.
Think how much fun you could have using one of the x57 intermediate cartridges (like 6mm Rem / .257 Roberts / 7mm Mauser) with a fast twist barrel and all the extra room in the requisite long action for the trendy heavy bullets. It would make the Creedmore/Hornady fanboys hot under the collar.
Nah, we’ve done that before and figured out really fast that the extra powder and extra action length aren’t worth it.
The Creedmoor case with a SAAMI throat allows the longest of the long 6mm’s to fit into short actions, barely getting a full caliber into the neck, and not placing the boattail junction below the neck/shoulder junction… that was the whole point of its inception.
If you’re burning that much powder and loading that long and carrying a long action, pushing up to something like a 6-06 improved or 6.5-284 hammers any of the x57 based cases, and naturally, magnums like the 7 PRC or 300 WM hammer those…
But speed isn’t really a metric of success.
The above is kinda moot if you are satisfied with the flexibility of a long action using standard brass and non-magnum loads. I don't get too worked-up about the latest cartridge "innovation" may or may not offer any significant practical advantages over established rounds.
Think how much fun you could have using one of the x57 intermediate cartridges (like 6mm Rem / .257 Roberts / 7mm Mauser) with a fast twist barrel and all the extra room in the requisite long action for the trendy heavy bullets. It would make the Creedmore/Hornady fanboys hot under the collar.
So why the different calibers? If you can change the twists and go from keyhole to "good" group. Why "invent" the "new" thing? Easy new sells, there is money to be made.
I hadn’t heard the Lambert name in a loooooong time. Charles Newtons 250-3000 was WILD for the time(3000 fps!!!! Wow!!!!) but savage put there name on it relatively quickly if memory serves(I believe he developed it in 1913 and savage picked it up in 1915; but that’s my memory; don’t quote me). 25-06 was around almost 50 years after Nieder necked down the 30 cal big bro before Remington put its name on it. I find it interesting how many of the “new” cartridges like 300 PRC for example, really started out as a wildcat; this one based on the 375 Ruger. Joe thielen just works for Hornady. It had quite a lot of testing and use etc before it came out with an actual name. I doubt I’ll ever be a success as a wildcatter, but a tight twist on some cartridges not really associated with a tight twist seems like a start. Haha.As a wildcatter myself, I’ve never made a damned dime from doing so, and have spent a LOT of extra money to get what I want out of cartridges. Not many folks have heard of any of the folks which made the first wildcats of which yielded the standardized commercial cartridges we know today - these inventors aren’t the ones making any money from their ideas.
Your line here just sounds bitter. Most cartridges are designed with a specific purpose in mind, delivering against performance expectations for “this is really close, but I’d like it a lot more if it did this…” People don’t buy bad ideas either - when rotary engine cars came out, certainly a novel invention, consumer wallets didn’t fly open, and the novelty died. P.F. Lambert isn’t a name folks know, but he invented the 25-08, which, for whatever reason, didn’t take off, whereas all of its neighbors in 243win, 260rem, and 7-08 have done well. Lots of us have been making 6 Dasher for over 20 years after Dan Dowling and Al Asher invented it, and it’s still not commercialized, and they sure haven’t found fame and fortune from it. PO didn’t have anything to do with his namesake 6BRA, but Tom Mousel saw fit to give Ackley a tip of the hat when he invented the BRA… Anyone who has read Elmer Keith’s books can understand he wasn’t pushing the envelope of the 38spcl or 44 spcl or 45 Colt to become rich. There were half to a dozen dudes making 6mmAR, 243LBC, 6 Grendel, 6 Grinch, Rat, FatRat, Turbo40, PredatAR, etc for over 15 years before the 6 ARC came to market, and dudes which had done 6-6.8’s like the WOA and Hagar… Who’s making all of this money to be had on the invention of the 20 vargtarg, or 20 practical, 25-45 Sharps… How many millions of dollars have been earned for inventing the 6.5-06 or 338-06 A-Square? I have a Ruger Single Six chambered in “218 Bee Short” dubbed the “22 Hondo” designed by a guy I knew through forums years ago, because we both just wanted a centerfire option for a 22mag/Hornet-ish Single Six, and last I checked, Hondo sure didn’t get rich from it, and he didn’t ask a penny of me for the idea…
Lots of us like to tinker to improve whatever we’re using in whatever way we think is an improvement, so invention is inherent. But money doesn’t get made until stuff is commercialized.
Hell, the entire metallic cartridge industry is really designed to PREVENT inventors from from capitalizing on their inventions - if an inventor wants to commercialize, they have to buy consumer confidence through SAAMI, meaning they waive rights to trademarks for their inventions’ names, and waive rights to their design work to allow publication and utilization of chamber and cartridge drawings and specs, and performance standards…