Clarence, You will do fine using "Clays" data from Hodgdon as a starting point.IMHO what is listed as maximum does not seem hot. I guess the safe way is to consider "Clays" data as maximum. After all to me accuracy is more important than squeezing a little more velocity. Economy is also a factor and the price at my supplier was around $98 for 8 Lbs.Also the SD in the the 9mm loads that I clocked was less than 8. Consistency is another factor that can't fail to help it to be more accurate.It is a Win-Win situation for me.Thanks for the update. I will be trying it as soon as I use up the last 3 lbs of TiteGroup.