The Deer Hunter
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Sigfan, howcome the receiver on the AR in the picture above is gray?
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SigfanUSAF
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The upper is a Colt A1 from CDNN, the lower is a new RRA. I wanted to refinish the lower in Colt grey like the upper, but didn't wnat to wait on the Norrels product. I used Brownells dark parkerizing grey Baking Laquer to refinish the upper, lower, and front sight base. It's a pretty close match to the Colts color.
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thanks to everyone who helped. especially Sigfan...! You'll be glad to know that yesterday I ordered this from Midway:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=240052
It's the Owner's Guide (vol 1). Hope its good.
Vol 2 is the actual assembly/disassembly book. I'll get that volume on my next order.
I'll have my nose in the book for the next couple weeks... I like to be well-read before going to gun shows, instead of asking dum-dum questions...
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=240052
It's the Owner's Guide (vol 1). Hope its good.
Vol 2 is the actual assembly/disassembly book. I'll get that volume on my next order.
I'll have my nose in the book for the next couple weeks... I like to be well-read before going to gun shows, instead of asking dum-dum questions...
lycanthrope
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You'll find......
That eventually you'll have a 20" full stocked gun to add to your 16" collapseable stocked gun.....
Get both.
That eventually you'll have a 20" full stocked gun to add to your 16" collapseable stocked gun.....
Get both.
love to. but it takes me so long to be able to afford an expensive gun, it may be another year....
I need to cut down on my cigars... I'd have more "shooting hobby" money if I did...
btw: there was another ar thread around here where someone recommended those ACE skeleton stocks, and provided a gunblast link... I thought those stocks were pretty cool.
there's two gunshows coming here this month. I'm gonna cruise both and check the AR prices.
I need to cut down on my cigars... I'd have more "shooting hobby" money if I did...
btw: there was another ar thread around here where someone recommended those ACE skeleton stocks, and provided a gunblast link... I thought those stocks were pretty cool.
there's two gunshows coming here this month. I'm gonna cruise both and check the AR prices.
cowitness is when you have your gun set up with a red-dot scope that also allows you to see your iron sights though your scope. That way if your red-dot fails, you don't have to take the time especially during a fire fight to remove your scope to finish up with your iron sights.
Flip.
Flip.
I've built 3 AR kits, the first a standard A2 from M&A Parts, second was a varmint model from J&T Distributing, and the most recent a 16" carbine from Del Ton. My first kit used a RRA lower receiver, the second and third a Stag Arms lower receiver, RRA's lowers are machined by Continental Machine & Tool (CMT), CMT's own brand of receivers are sold under the Stag Arms brand name, so CMT machines both RRA and Stag Arms lowers, and Stag Arms has a very good reputation.
I don't have any complaints against any of those three companies, my original kit from M&A was short a few parts, but they sent those when I called them. I don't know the exact details, but Model 1 and M&A Parts are all supposed to be one family, and they don't really have a good reputation among the AR15 community for their quality or service.
If I were building another AR kit today, it would be from Del Ton or J&T, and using a Stag Arms lower receiver, as I said my most recent build was a kit from Del Ton.
http://www.del-ton.com/
http://www.jtdistributing.com/
My most recent build, Stag Arms lower receiver on a Del Ton 16" carbine kit.
I don't have any complaints against any of those three companies, my original kit from M&A was short a few parts, but they sent those when I called them. I don't know the exact details, but Model 1 and M&A Parts are all supposed to be one family, and they don't really have a good reputation among the AR15 community for their quality or service.
If I were building another AR kit today, it would be from Del Ton or J&T, and using a Stag Arms lower receiver, as I said my most recent build was a kit from Del Ton.
http://www.del-ton.com/
http://www.jtdistributing.com/
My most recent build, Stag Arms lower receiver on a Del Ton 16" carbine kit.
g56 - that is pretty much the same thing I want. What scope is that?
Is it this del-ton kit?
http://www.del-ton.com/detail.aspx?ID=1104
$475 seems like a good price. As for options, I've read a few articles that like the Ergo pistol grips... which is a $17 option. Free float handguards... I've read that they get a lot hotter than the standard handguards...
btw: I checked Stag's website, but I didn't see any "stripped lowers"
Is it this del-ton kit?
http://www.del-ton.com/detail.aspx?ID=1104
$475 seems like a good price. As for options, I've read a few articles that like the Ergo pistol grips... which is a $17 option. Free float handguards... I've read that they get a lot hotter than the standard handguards...
btw: I checked Stag's website, but I didn't see any "stripped lowers"
lycanthrope
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That scope is a Trijicon ACOG. They start around $675. An excellent optic.
I really like the ergo grip.
As for free float handguards, they won't be bothersome until you drain 3 mags back to back in rapid fire.
Get a Stag stripped lower from Eagle firearms or Title 2.
http://www.eaglefirearms.net/
http://www.title2.com/
I still recommend a railed gas block and flip up irons for backup versus working around the A2 front sight.
I really like the ergo grip.
As for free float handguards, they won't be bothersome until you drain 3 mags back to back in rapid fire.
Get a Stag stripped lower from Eagle firearms or Title 2.
http://www.eaglefirearms.net/
http://www.title2.com/
I still recommend a railed gas block and flip up irons for backup versus working around the A2 front sight.
lycanthrope
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Kind of hard to tell by my eye. Either the CAR or M4 style (looks like CAR to me). The M4 style is slightly diameter. I prefer the CAR style since my hands are not huge.
SigfanUSAF
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Standard CAR handguards in g56s pic, hard to tell but the ones in my previous pic are the M4
SigfanUSAF
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RRA's complete rifle kit, except the stripped lower, is assembled, headspaced and test fired.
What about the other companies? Mostly, Del-Ton. I emailed them with this question a couple days ago, but have not gotten a response yet. Or if I did, maybe my junk mail filter filtered it...
Is the Del-ton complete rifle kit assembled, headspaced & test fired?
Do gun shows sell these kits, or do they just sell complete rifles? I'm going to a SAXET show in San Antonio in a few weeks. I'm curious about the possibility of getting the complete kits at a lower than full retail price.
I'll probably get a Stag stripped lower.
What about the other companies? Mostly, Del-Ton. I emailed them with this question a couple days ago, but have not gotten a response yet. Or if I did, maybe my junk mail filter filtered it...
Is the Del-ton complete rifle kit assembled, headspaced & test fired?
Do gun shows sell these kits, or do they just sell complete rifles? I'm going to a SAXET show in San Antonio in a few weeks. I'm curious about the possibility of getting the complete kits at a lower than full retail price.
I'll probably get a Stag stripped lower.
lycanthrope
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All complete uppers in the kits should already be headspaced. No idea about test firing.
doh ! My bad... I didn't remember seeing that....
where do you guys get your Del-Ton kits? From the company at retail? are there online dealers that sell at a discount?
I received my Complete Owner's Guide (by Kuleck & Duff) from Midway yesterday. Need to completely read through it. I see that it has a lot of wasted print space regarding "pre-ban" "post-ban" stuff... but I expected that.
do you think the $475 base price is a good price? It seems good to me, based on the complete rifles from other companies... such as RRA for $640.
What options do you recommend? I assume I would want the RRA 2-stage NM trigger for an extra $80 (damn that's expensive for a few pieces of metal). lycanthrope recommends a railed gas block with a flip up sight.. instead of the A2 block/sight. I suppose since I'm interested in using optics only rather than iron sights, that the railed gas block would be the smart thing to do.
So far: basic rifle $475 plus RRA 2-stage trigger $80 plus 2 pic rail gas block $45 is $600. That's skipping the "flip-up front sight" option.
What options do you recommend? I assume I would want the RRA 2-stage NM trigger for an extra $80 (damn that's expensive for a few pieces of metal). lycanthrope recommends a railed gas block with a flip up sight.. instead of the A2 block/sight. I suppose since I'm interested in using optics only rather than iron sights, that the railed gas block would be the smart thing to do.
So far: basic rifle $475 plus RRA 2-stage trigger $80 plus 2 pic rail gas block $45 is $600. That's skipping the "flip-up front sight" option.
MisterPX
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What kind of optics are you going to use? At 4X the front sight post is fuzzy, at higher powers, you don't even see it.
lycanthrope
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The price is good for that rifle. The RRA two stage trigger is good, but you can get the stick single stage down to 3.5lbs just by tweaking the stock springs. Unless you're shooting long range or high power, most people prefer the single stage. I run a two stage Jewell on one of my rifles, but it has a 1.5lb second stage and it's a different beast altogether... There are lots of trigger options out there (JP rifles, Jard, Chip McCormick, etc.) and changing triggers takes 15 minutes.
Put the extra $80 into glass, back up iron sights or ammo.
Put the extra $80 into glass, back up iron sights or ammo.
I was talking to the owner of a small local gun shop tonight, about AR stripped lowers.
He said he recommends Bushmaster lowers to all his customers... he thinks they are better quality. Said he would order me one for $185.
I was thinking stripped lowers were closer to $100 - 110. I mean.. from a dealer.
what do you think? I want to order a stripped lower real soon. Will worry about getting the Del-ton kit maybe around the end of the year (xmas present to myself)
He said he recommends Bushmaster lowers to all his customers... he thinks they are better quality. Said he would order me one for $185.
I was thinking stripped lowers were closer to $100 - 110. I mean.. from a dealer.
what do you think? I want to order a stripped lower real soon. Will worry about getting the Del-ton kit maybe around the end of the year (xmas present to myself)
Check with Lone Star Wholesale. You can check their gun show schedule here.
Also check with Randy at Northwest Houston Tactical ([email protected]).
Also check with Randy at Northwest Houston Tactical ([email protected]).
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