Are you willing to let a Democrat win...

[xd9fan]

If they're able to drag one percent from the Republican side over to the third party side - 48% Republican, 49% Democrat, 3% third - they WIN. That one percent isn't sending a message. It's being USED. It's being OWNED by the Democrats.

God I love this lets-blame-everybody-but-the-GOP logic.

I love it....we the people that are after better quality in representation "are now being used...OWNED."


WAKE UP could it be.........stick with me on this.........could it be...maybe.....just maybe.....the current GOP CAUSED THEIR OWN FAILURES BY TREATING CONSERVATIVES IN THE PARTY LIKE THEY HAVE A DISEASE.

Given how the GOP has pissed away money and policy.....and YOU BLAME PEOPLE FOR GETTING TIRED OF THIS CRAP AND LOOKING ELSEWHERE??????

Could it be the GOP's fault and NOT THE VOTERS and they are tired of rewarding crap with another vote for this hollow party??????????

being owned by the Dems..LOL wow denial is alive and well

 

[dcoop]

Simply put: No fargen way

 

[Prince Yamato]

I would benefit greatly from many of his policies (until they came for me after they no longer needed me that is).

Yeah, because Rudy knows who you are and really gives a damn about your lunatic conspiracy theories. You and Alex Jones are MADE for each other.

As stated previously, some of you really need to be socialized. First off, Rudy is not this power-mad Hitler you are making him out to be. Get real. Not perfect for 2A by far, but far better than... Who is power hungry AND a socialist? Hillary.

"Rudy was a tyrant in NYC"

I also love how all the people that bitch about this are usually not from NYC. They repeat the same crap they hear some libertarian rant about on THR. Look, NYC has a different mentality than the rest of the country. Rudy had to play ball with New York liberals. He was a radical right-winger in comparison. Now he's hitting the national stage, the game is played differently. He'll adapt.

So many of you are also so quick to damn every politician who does not agree with you 100%. You know what? You've pretty much damned them all. You also complain about politicians being corrupt? Really, No kidding. It's been that way since the time of Socrates. Don't like it, move to Mars.

Owning guns is a basic HUMAN right, yes, enumerated by the constitution. But if we have an amendment taking that away... some of you say, "I'll fight it". Yes, because that'll look great, you hanging from the rooftop shooting at cops, beautiful. I understand that not all cops are good, but the way some of you post (and I believe some post to purposely make us look bad), you'd think every traffic cop was a member of Hitler's SS.

I'm also stunned by the sense of powerlessness amongst some of you. You act as if there is this huge conspiracy against you. There is no conspiracy, just a bunch of politicians, like Madame Speaker and Hillary, who want to look good on paper. The way to keep your guns is to make sure that they don't get into power. The way to make sure they don't get into power is vote for the most viable candidate that is closest to your mindset. For most gun owners, this will probably be Rudy. "Oh, whine whine, but he's an anti, blah blah blah. He's not close to my mindset." Right, he's not that close to mine, either, but according to the game of politics, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The arch rivals of the Democrats are the republicans. I ABSOLUTELY don't want a Democrat in power, so I vote republican. I get most of what I want and some I don't, but at least I keep my guns.

 

[Titan6]

This is vey sad.

The same excuses over and over again.

Oh, and by the way I know of at least one politician that is not corupt and I agree with on 90% of the issues. He does not live on Mars. He lives in Galveston, TX. And he is a republican.

Now say how he can't win blah blah blah vote for Rudy 'I will ban them' Guliani blah blah blah lessor of two evils blah blah blah we have heard it all before.

 

[royh]

Yes, absolutely. No party can survive the absolute power that comes from a base that will not consider alternatives. Quite a few of the new Democrats in the House and Senate are pro-gun, too. Hopefully the trend of pro-gun Democrats continue in 2008. Shame about the presidential candidates though...

 

[chas_martel]

Hey Prince, I got a question for you. Are there any beliefs
you would willingly die over? Not a person, not a material thing,
but beliefs? Even one?

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Statistically . . .

Statistically, supporting the "Democrat way" has had a consistently bad impact on RKBA, more so than Republicans.

There doesn't seem to be any significant shift away from that predisposition, so supporting a Democrat candidate simply doesn't make good statistical sense.

I'm not particularly happy with the evidently anointed Republican front runners. I see some real potential for trouble there.

I'm not going to get into a long diatribe on this, as Hairless and bogie and others have covered it better than I could.

However.

It's more than a year and a half to the Day of Truth and Consequences.

I believe there is room for another option.

I believe that actual grass roots action can bias the actions of the candidates.

I believe that, while many politicians simply don't give a crap what the public thinks, I daresay that several will notice an actual groundswell.

Because of the pyramid structure of political parties, doctrine is disseminated top-down. Often, the only way to get their attention is the tectonic tremor of loudly expressed public opinon.

Politics being what it is, we don't really have a lot of input into the choices of candidates.

But we do have a voice.

It is my belief that our efforts will be better used in the next 18 months to generate the groundswell the politicians dread: loud public opinion.

I may not get to influence who winds up running.

I think I may, however, be able to make it clear what the mandates are. Heck, even one mandate, if I can do it.

An angry and motivated populace is an excellent deterrent.

Am I alone in thinking thus?

 

[TCB in TN]

If the only choices we have are from Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Guliani....... how can you keep a Democrat from winning?

 

[Prince Yamato]

He does not live on Mars. He lives in Galveston, TX.

Ok... for the last time, I have no ideological problems with Ron Paul. He's a great pro-2A candidate. He will not get past the primaries. Vote for him in the primaries. You have free will, you live in a republic. Cast your vote. You have the logic or Rene Descartes; everything you say runs in circles. You also clearly do not read postings properly and resort to blasting everyone who is in disagreement with you.

Hey Prince, I got a question for you. Are there any beliefs
you would willingly die over? Not a person, not a material thing,
but beliefs? Even one?

Ah! You got me! I have no principles or beliefs. I'm a nihilist! Shucks, was it that obvious? See, I believe in having a fighting chance. Guns aid in fighting, hence why I'm saying support the candidate who has the best chance of winning and will enable us to keep our 2A rights. You also go the Descartes route with the circular proof.

Do I wish to die for a non-material belief (ie 2A), yet the very basis for which I would defend my belief as well as the very thing I'm defending my right to own is material... Ah Descartes! How we love thee...

All right, someone throw some Nietzsche at me next.

 

[TCB in TN]

For those saying we should vote Guliani or McCain to help protect our 2A rights I have this question. How can you trust McCain to protect our 2A rights when he already helped throw the 1A rights under the bus with McCain Fiengold, and has not proven to be 2A friendly. As for "America's Mayor" he has already came out in favor and helped institute several Gun bans, registration, and a host of other anti 2A activities as mayor of NYC. We all bash Bloomburg (rightfully so) but he was only picking up where Gules left off. Not saying that Obama, or Hillary would be better, but I just don't see the silver lining in here anywhere. We slap the Rhino sticker on anyone who doesn't really support us, but in the case of McCain and Guliani it is not only warrented but it is actually an understatement. Neither deserve to be considered with an R around their names. They are Democrats, and in fact if you look at many of the Souther Dems, in comparison the two Rhinos above are much more liberal. Boot them from the R ticket and lets find someone we can actually vote for w/o vomitting!

 

[RevolvingCylinder]

Yamamato, I've lived in NY state most of my life. You have no idea what many of the Republicans from the lowest part of the state nor the ones that are run on the state level are like. They're exactly the same as(if not worse than) hilldabeast and the ilk except they have that (R) next to their names. Rudy isn't much better. If they're all the Republican Party has to offer then we need to ditch the party or else this country will suffer under what will essentially be a single-party Republic. I know that if the Republican party won't run a suitable candidate then I'm done with them and only voting 3rd party from then on.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Yamamato, I've lived in NY state most of my life. You have no idea what many of the Republicans from the lowest part of the state nor the ones that are run on the state level are like.

Really? Because before I was a "Confederate" I was a resident of upstate NY

 

[jerkface11]

The republican front runners are NO DIFFERENT from the Democrat front runners. Except that the republicans are white men. And that isn't a good enough reason for me to vote for them. If they want my vote they can earn it.

 

[Cosmoline]

I'll let you know when I see some actual Republicans rising to the top. So far all I see are Democrats.

 

[Titan6]

'Ok... for the last time, I have no ideological problems with Ron Paul. He's a great pro-2A candidate. He will not get past the primaries. Vote for him in the primaries. You have free will, you live in a republic. Cast your vote. You have the logic or Rene Descartes; everything you say runs in circles. You also clearly do not read postings properly and resort to blasting everyone who is in disagreement with you.'

--- Normally I put everything in these posts but since you have said it all before in the last post and in a dozen others before I did not see the need. Since here you attack me personally instead of my argument this looks like frustration in the face of logic.

--- You keep missing the point. That is why it appears circular to you. You have no way of knowing the future. You do not know who will win the primary. You keep saying that Paul will not win but this your is opinion. At least you are not like another who kept saying 'facts are blah blah blah' with a long pronouncement of opinion of everything under the sun. which I find particularly rankling in it's dishonesty.

--- If what I say runs in circles it is only because I feel compelled to stop the dishonesty that is repeated over and over again. And yes I am a great proponent of logic. It is one of the few true things in the world. You would do well to study it.

'See, I believe in having a fighting chance. Guns aid in fighting, hence why I'm saying support the candidate who has the best chance of winning and will enable us to keep our 2A rights. You also go the Descartes route with the circular proof.'

This is only a half truth at best. RG does have the best chance of winning. He is also the worst possible chance of us retaining our 2A rights among the repubs and IMHO among several of the dems as well. He may win but I fully believe he will grab our guns. You have no evidence at all that he supports the 2A other than recent empty campaign words. All actions say gun ban loud and clear.

'Do I wish to die for a non-material belief (ie 2A), yet the very basis for which I would defend my belief as well as the very thing I'm defending my right to own is material... Ah Descartes! How we love thee...'

--- I am uncertain what you are trying to say here. I am just a simple man. Please explain. Or don't it matters not.

'All right, someone throw some Nietzsche at me next.'

--- I don't do Nietzsche. IMHO He was a loser. You irritate people and they call you a sell out because you keep saying republican at any price. You refuse to accept than any Democrat is better than every repub. Many people disagree with you. The NRA disagrees with you. You can not accept this and continue to spout your opinion ad naseum.

 

[45/70]

And so with nearly 4,000 US troops killed in Iraq you think the GOP and Dumbass are doing a good job?

Demos can't find their ass with both hands. GOP are all ass, and hard to miss.

If Scooter Libby gets a pardon, there's gonna be blood in the streets.

 

[Art Eatman]

And around and around and around...

Enuf.