Arthritis Question

wcwhitey

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For the last few weeks I have been feeling a soreness in the base joint of my thumb and the base and middle joint of my middle finger. It comes and goes and It just dawned on me that my shooting hand may have started to become arthritic. I have noticed that as I push 60 recoil is more of an issue. Does this sound right? I know this is not a medical forum but I can also assume I may not be the only one.
 
You know what they say... getting old aint for sissies. :p

I know where youre coming from, I started running into some of that in my mid 50's, especially with my knees, and somewhat in my hands. After a useless run of shots in my knees, I did some homework and started taking Osteo Bi-Flex, Turmeric, and Boswellia supplements, and have for a number of years now, and it seems to be doing the trick. I also notice my hands seem to be better as well. Still have some minor aches and creaks, but nothing like before.

I also think that whatever you do, dont stop doing it and try and stay as fit and active as you can. Everyone that I worked with that retired just ahead of me who just went home and sat down in their recliners and did nothing but suck down beers and a pack or two of smokes a day, were all dead within a year or so.

And dont take whatever the doctors tell you as gospel. Their drugs aint always the answer, and I swear sometimes, a lot of the problem. And after what went on with ll the covid BS, my trust level in them has gone WAY down. Dont be afraid to do your own homework and ask a lot of questions of them when you do see them. Its amazing how different the conversation is and often changes when you are well-informed beforehand. ;)
 
It could well be osteoarthritis ("OA") which is frequently seen between the base of the 1st metacarpal and the trapezium bone.
Best have it checked at an ortho clinic. There are all sorts of treatments, ranging from splints and supports, to surgery.
How's your weak-hand shooting? May be an opportunity to practice that!
 
I have arthritis and fibromyalgia so I don't shoot small light pistols that have snappy recoil or magnum revolvers very often. And somedays I stick with rimfire pistols when I go to the range.

I am going to suggest following both trackskippy's and Odd Job's advice. Go see an arthritis doctor and also take supplements. One word of advice on supplements, make sure they won't effect any prescription meds you are on. Some supplements can either counteract prescription meds or you might have to reduce the dose of prescription meds.

Talk to your doctor(s) about taking supplements.
 
For the last few weeks I have been feeling a soreness in the base joint of my thumb
If you're feeling soreness in the base of your thumb, there's a high probability that it's CMC thumb arthritis, but until it's x-rayed, there's no telling if it is, or what stage it's in. When it happened in my shooting hand, x-rays showed that the joint was already bone-on-bone. I was able to limp along on cortisone injections for 18 months, but finally had to have an arthroplasty done. Several months later when the pain started in the other thumb, I feared the worst, but x-rays showed that it was just in the beginning stages with most of the cartilage intact except for one end of the joint. The pain was coming from a bone spur created by the 2 ends rubbing together. I now wear a ComfortCool soft brace to bed to give it a break overnight, and a PUSH Metagrip hard brace when I'm doing things (like shoveling snow) that really stress that joint. Doing those things really helps, and I hope to be able to manage it for a while without cortisone or surgery.

In any event, you should see a doctor sooner rather than later to get an accurate diagnosis. If it is CMC thumb arthritis in your shooting hand, you probably should start thinking about caliber reductions at some point in the future. And don't expect a thumb arthroplasty to be a cure. It's primarily a pain mitigation thing that comes with a one year recovery (although I was able to start shooting after about 10 weeks) and a permanent 25% (or more) reduction in hand strength. And after 13 months, I'm not completely pain free and don't expect to ever be so, although it's much better than before. The experience sucked enough that I won't go through it with my weak hand until I have no other choice.
 
For the last few weeks I have been feeling a soreness in the base joint of my thumb and the base and middle joint of my middle finger. It comes and goes and It just dawned on me that my shooting hand may have started to become arthritic. I have noticed that as I push 60 recoil is more of an issue. Does this sound right? I know this is not a medical forum but I can also assume I may not be the only one.

Occasional arthritis symptoms are the exact reason I've been looking for an "old man gun" over the last year. I'm hitting 58 next week.

After some trial and error, I may have found it with my new to me 9mm 1911. Easy to rack, easy trigger, easy recoil, and feels lighter than my same weight 6" Ruger GP100 due to better balance.

I've been a DA guy for a long time, but SAO guns seem to be in my future.
 
If you take a collagen supplement, it can make your joints swell a bit, like excess fluid, and make everything tighter. This can cause more pain if you have arthritis.

Supplements have a wide range of effectiveness, from great to counterproductive. I always look at my lifestyle, diet and research supplements before I jump into the sick care system. I’m one of those guys with a life long disease that developed in my teens because of lifestyle. 25 years later I’m on no medications and it’s like the disease never even happened. I didn’t get these results by staying on the medical road to nowhere. Ymmv.
 
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As it relates to handgun shooting my life has taken a turn for the worse, I’m a lefty and two years ago I started noticing tremors in my left arm. Now I’m experiencing pain in my right hand joints.

My main concern is I’ve finally accumulated a stable of pistols I like carrying and shooting but may not be able to in the not so distant future.

So OP you’re not alone and while it’s a challenge I’m confident it’s not impossible to overcome.
 
For the last few weeks I have been feeling a soreness in the base joint of my thumb and the base and middle joint of my middle finger. It comes and goes and It just dawned on me that my shooting hand may have started to become arthritic. I have noticed that as I push 60 recoil is more of an issue. Does this sound right? I know this is not a medical forum but I can also assume I may not be the only one.

Time to consult a doctor. Been there, done that, a lot of years ago. A simple x-ray will show if it is and a blood test will determine what kind it is. Osteo is by far the most common and hope for it to be that as it is the easiest to treat.
 
If you take a collagen supplement, it can make your joints swell a bit, like excess fluid, and make everything tighter. This can cause more pain if you have arthritis.

Supplements have a wide range of effectiveness, from great to counterproductive. I always look at my lifestyle, diet and research supplements before I jump into the sick care system. I’m one of those guys with a life long disease that developed in my teens because of lifestyle. 25 years later I’m on no medications and it’s like the disease never even happened. I didn’t get these results by staying on the medical road to nowhere. Ymmv.

You know what they say... getting old aint for sissies. :p

I know where youre coming from, I started running into some of that in my mid 50's, especially with my knees, and somewhat in my hands. After a useless run of shots in my knees, I did some homework and started taking Osteo Bi-Flex, Turmeric, and Boswellia supplements, and have for a number of years now, and it seems to be doing the trick. I also notice my hands seem to be better as well. Still have some minor aches and creaks, but nothing like before.

I also think that whatever you do, dont stop doing it and try and stay as fit and active as you can. Everyone that I worked with that retired just ahead of me who just went home and sat down in their recliners and did nothing but suck down beers and a pack or two of smokes a day, were all dead within a year or so.

And dont take whatever the doctors tell you as gospel. Their drugs aint always the answer, and I swear sometimes, a lot of the problem. And after what went on with ll the covid BS, my trust level in them has gone WAY down. Dont be afraid to do your own homework and ask a lot of questions of them when you do see them. Its amazing how different the conversation is and often changes when you are well-informed beforehand. ;)

Indeed. A doctor that practices health instead of solely focusing on medicine or surgery is the way to go. At least initially.

Expensive procedures seem to benefit doctors more than patients in my “anecdotal” experience.
 
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For the last few weeks I have been feeling a soreness in the base joint of my thumb and the base and middle joint of my middle finger. It comes and goes and It just dawned on me that my shooting hand may have started to become arthritic. I have noticed that as I push 60 recoil is more of an issue. Does this sound right? I know this is not a medical forum but I can also assume I may not be the only one.
That is absolutely a symptom of an arthritic hand. I've suffered the exact same thing for several years now.
 
Just recently I was afflicted with the pain you described, but mine was so severe I had to go to the doctor for pain management. I ordered a thumb brace from Amazon the one shown and padded the inside with sponge tape. I would use this at night so as not to hurt myself in my sleep. Also bought one from Walgreen less expensive that extended to my wrist and more flexible to wear during the day. After not shooting and not using the hand the pain went away, back to normal. My pain used to extend all the way to my elbow too. Tylenol for arthritis was my friend.

Based on my personal experience limiting the use of your hand for several weeks will greatly help in recovery.
https://www.amazon.com/BraceAbility...uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
 
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Occasional arthritis symptoms are the exact reason I've been looking for an "old man gun" over the last year. I'm hitting 58 next week.

After some trial and error, I may have found it with my new to me 9mm 1911. Easy to rack, easy trigger, easy recoil, and feels lighter than my same weight 6" Ruger GP100 due to better balance.

I've been a DA guy for a long time, but SAO guns seem to be in my future.
A Bisley single six in .32 H&R is my prescription…easy on the hands, simple to reload and a lot of fun to shoot. :thumbup:

I’m not a doctor, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but as a member of Enablers Unanimous I think that may just work.

Stay safe.
 
A Bisley single six in .32 H&R is my prescription…easy on the hands, simple to reload and a lot of fun to shoot. :thumbup:

I’m not a doctor, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but as a member of Enablers Unanimous I think that may just work.

Stay safe.

And then you can get a 32 H&R/327 lever action to go with the Ruger SIngle Six. That way you can relive your childhood playing your favorite western hero while at the range. :thumbup:

@Riomouse911 I'll see you at the next Enablers Unanimous Anonymous meeting :rofl:
 
So @Riomouse911 and @12Bravo20 money can fix it!

Well of course it can. :D

On a serious note, talk to your doctor and make sure to ask about different treatments to include over the counter supplements.

And there is nothing wrong with stepping down a little on caliber size. We are all agings and some of use are disabled, we make due and adapt to keep enjoying the shooting sports.
 
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@wcwhitey I have arthritis and very little, if any cartilage in my right wrist / thumb joint say the wrist. Without a plethora of war stories I’ll just say I have been very abusive to my body and in particular my right hand and wrist.
I saw an Orthopedic Specialist / Surgeon about my thumb joint pain 4 years ago, I am now 62, and he basically told me that the surgery needed to stop the pain would require fusion of that area. I have little or no cartilage in that joint. Luckily that Doctor was also a shooter. He shot IPSC and IDPA competitions so he knew a bit about what I was talking about. I also ride motorcycles. What he told me was fusing that joint would definitely impact my ability to shoot handguns and might affect my ability to operate the throttle on a bike.
He did ask me what guns I preferred and what cartridges. He told me what I already knew,
“Do not shoot hard hitting magnums, like; .44 Magnum, .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum, etc.
Don’t shoot snappy guns, like; harder hitting semiautomatic pistols or light revolvers in magnum cartridges or maybe even +P.”
I added the most painful guns for me, little .380 autos like the Kel Rec P3AT and the Ruger LCP.
He told me that “Unfortunately pain will be your guide and no amount of exercise will help with bone on bone joint pain.”
I did ask about joint replacement. He said that at the time there is none available but there was active research in the works. Apparently he was correct:
https://www.bristolhandsurgery.com/thumb-cmc-replacement-surgery/

So, I opted to wait and see what happens.
In the meantime I do this:
  • Take ibuprofen everyday but keep it under the recommended daily allowance of 2400mg.
  • I take Osteo Bi-Flex joint supplements every day. One AM, One PM.
  • I use “Icy Hot with Lidocaine” on my thumb / wrist joint when it hurts. This stuff is a Godsend. https://www.icyhot.com/en-us/products/no-mess/lidocaine-roll-on
  • My fantasy guns will remain “fantasy guns”; S&W 29 of Dirty Harry fame, Glock 20 or Glock 40 10mm, Ruger Blackhawk .454 Casull, Ruger Alaskan .454
  • I do not shoot +P ammo in my J frames. I do shot .357 Magnum and .45 Colt but I limit it. I no longer hotrod .45 Colt even in my original Ruger Vaquero 7.5”. or .357 Magnum, but I might in a heavy gun like a S&W model 27.
  • I also found that certain rifles hurt my wrist. An AR-15 with the standard grip angle just kills me, but adding a Magpul grip with less angle did not. I also found that relaxing my grip and letting my shoulder take more recoil helped on my rifles like my Henry 45-70 and M1 Garand.
  • Ruger MK .22 pistols with that European angled grip hurt like hell after a few mags. Weird.

I do know this. I have had numerous surgeries for numerous injuries. If a doctor tells you “After this surgery you will be 100%!” that doctor is full of condensed cow manure. There is always a price to pay in aches, stiffness that will not go away, loss of flexibility and even strength. Put off surgeries as long as you can but if a doctor tells you that without it the area may be too far gone to repair get a second opinion right away and if confirmed, bite the bullet and do it. I waited too long on my left shoulder. Now I have no cartilage there and the socket is so eroded current technology can’t help, so I live with it.

I hope you get some relief and / or figure out how to live with your condition. You may have to give up some things and that can be very hard to do. Oh, and mark my word, once you go give up on that boomer fantasy revolver or that ultra light back up revolver a smoking deal will come your way and that little devil whispers in your ear, ignore it and be thankful for what you have and what you can do with what you have.
 
A heavier handgun will help soak up recoil. A medium frame 38 revolver will have less recoil than a small frame 38 revolver. A full size or officer size 1911 in 9mm is easier to shoot compare to a Kel-Tec P3AT (380) or Kel-Tec PF9.

How a pistol fits your hands will also make a difference. I have a Strike Industries Strike 80 frame along with a Polymer 80 940C and Glock G23 frames, the Strike 80 is quite comfortable to shoot with the G23 (40 S&W) slide compared to the Glock or P80 frames. A lot of this is due to the overall shape of the grip and how it fits my hand.

I have also had to make adjustments to rifle shooting too. The majority of my rifles that are not AR's now have some type of stock with a more vertical grip. I either use some type of thumbhole stock or a chassis stock with an AR pistol grip.
 
I do know this. I have had numerous surgeries for numerous injuries. If a doctor tells you “After this surgery you will be 100%!” that doctor is full of condensed cow manure. There is always a price to pay in aches, stiffness that will not go away, loss of flexibility and even strength. Put off surgeries as long as you can but if a doctor tells you that without it the area may be too far gone to repair get a second opinion right away and if confirmed, bite the bullet and do it. I waited too long on my left shoulder. Now I have no cartilage there and the socket is so eroded current technology can’t help, so I live with it.

I agree with the cow manure statement. I have had both rotator cuffs repaired and had 95% percent of movement back after finishing "pain and torture" therapy on each. It has improved since. The kicker is that I don't have the strength that I had before tearing them, especially overhead lifting.

I am curious about your left shoulder though. My son recently had a total shoulder replacement. They removed the entire joint and put in a brand new titanium one. No, it doesn't have the movement or strength of the old one but it doesn't hurt unless he overloads it.
 
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