Attempted Robbery stopped by Armed Citizen in Detroit.

[Unistat]

Attempted Robbery stopped by Armed Citizen in Detroit.

Two thugs with a gun try to rob a barber shop. A guy getting his haircut shoots and kills one thug.

I would say that this is as close to textbook as you are likely to find in the real world.

 

[jimsieben]

Right On! Yet another reason why everyone should support the second amendment.

BTW... Unistat- Howdy neighbor, I see you're in SE Michigan. Where about? I'm in Warren, 13 Mile & Ryan area.

 

[catnphx]

That is outstanding. The BG fires a round into the ground to show how serious he is and all that does is seal his fate. Score one for the good guys ... glad everything turned out ok (except for one of the BG's).

 

[Tim Burke]

It seems he was only the 2nd most serious person in the room...

 

[USAF_Vet]

Reminds me of a scene from "High Plains Drifter"

 

[NMBrian]

Detroit could use a lot more citizens like that guy.

Where do I send the box of ammo?

 

[Unistat]

Goes to show what the police say all the time: "Watch their hands." Good thing the BG didn't follow that advice.

 

[bigfatdave]

sounds way too much like the barber shop I use, minus the sleazy neighborhood

open front door, open register full of $10 bills (overflowing by the end of the day)

one geezer barber running the place (of course, he is an ex-marine and R. Lee Ermey comes in for a cut during the national matches or whenever he's at Camp Perry ... and I know a good fraction of the clientele is armed ... SO I suppose it would end about the same, too

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what's uyp with the writing in the article, though?
how did that make it past edit?

 

[Losov]

Nice. But it's one more reason why I'm glad I cut my own hair.

 

[Mike1234567]

That was a close shave. I love it!!

 

[8654Maine]

If you listen to the accompanying video clip from the local fox station, the lady anchor twists the action. Her words:

"After the suspects barged in, one of the barber's clients pulled a gun and started shooting."

Make it sound like the CCW initiated the action.

I detest broadcast news.

 

[Unistat]

If you listen to the accompanying video clip from the local fox station, the lady anchor twists the action. Her words:

"After the suspects barged in, one of the barber's clients pulled a gun and started shooting."

Make it sound like the CCW initiated the action.

I detest broadcast news.

And the sad thing is, I consider this a favorable report of a defensive shooting in the media. Our expectations from the media are so low...

 

[catnphx]

Reminds me of a scene from "High Plains Drifter"

That is so true ... good analogy. Trouble makers come in and customer in barber chair takes care of business.

 

[knotquiteawake]

If you listen to the accompanying video clip from the local fox station, the lady anchor twists the action. Her words:

"After the suspects barged in, one of the barber's clients pulled a gun and started shooting."

Make it sound like the CCW initiated the action.

I detest broadcast news.

I'm glad somebody else picked up on that too. I read the article first and then watched the news story on it. That whole "one of the barber's clients pulled a gun and started shooting." is madness. What a way to sensationalize it.

 

[JustinJ]

I hope more details come out as to how the shooting played out. What was he carrying, from what position to did he shoot, etc.

While many on here have argued actions like those of the licensed carrier to be irresponsible and foolish i think they are an fine example of why we carry. In addition to stopping an armed robbery he took control of the situation away from the bad guys rather than just hoping they decided not to kill an innocent. Obviously we don't have much information at this point but from the article it sounds like he had the presence of mind to account for and mitigate risks and take advantage of an opportunity that presented itself.

 

[Twmaster]

Our expectations from the media are so low...

And they earn that expectation every day.

Good job. One more scumbag off the street. Too bad the other BG could not join his buddy.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Two thugs with a gun try to rob a barber shop. A guy getting his haircut shoots and kills one thug.

I would say that this is as close to textbook as you are likely to find in the real world.

I don't know what textbook would have me getting robbed in a barber shop, but it wasn't just the shop getting robbed, but each of the customers. Note that there were TWO people with concealed carry guns there and the only one that did anything was at the point and time he was being robbed himself. He did good, but he wasn't trying to stop a robbery. He was protecting his own life and he didn't decide to do that until which time the robber discharged a round first and was addressing him about stalling.

Makes you wonder what the other textbook CCW person in the store was doing.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-de...foils-barber-shop-robbery-kills-armed-suspect

 

[Unistat]

I don't know what textbook would have me getting robbed in a barber shop, but it wasn't just the shop getting robbed, but each of the customers. Note that there were TWO people with concealed carry guns there and the only one that did anything was at the point and time he was being robbed himself. He did good, but he wasn't trying to stop a robbery. He was protecting his own life and he didn't decide to do that until which time the robber discharged a round first and was addressing him about stalling.

Makes you wonder what the other textbook CCW person in the store was doing.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-de...foils-barber-shop-robbery-kills-armed-suspect

By textbook, I mean that the conditions were optimal for the CPL holder to draw and shoot the BG even though he did not have the initiative.

But you go ahead and be an agrumentative negative-nellie if it makes you happy.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

What the guy did was definitely clever and opportunistic and he did it well, despite being trapped in a barber chair with no cover or reasonable chance for egress.

 

[Kleanbore]

The smock, which offered some concealment and allowed surprise, and the customer's method of carry, which enabled him to draw from a sitting position, obviously combined to help overcome the robber's advantage of already having his gun in his hand.

This incident has caused me to think more about drawing from a sitting position. I have only practiced drawing while standing.

That is probably more of an issue for someone who is sitting in a car with a seat belt on.

 

[bigfatdave]

This incident has caused me to think more about drawing from a sitting position.

me, too
Drawing from IWB at ~4:00 looks much like reaching for a wallet, until the last moment. A seat-belt can make it more awkward, but drivers manage to get wallets out for traffic cops and tollways all the time, and the IWB is riding higher.

Get a cheapo airsoft replica of your gun, set up a target in your basement, and blast away!

 

[ForumSurfer]

This incident has caused me to think more about drawing from a sitting position. I have only practiced drawing while standing.

I posted a scenario awhile back about a recent news headline in my town involving a father and his children who were shot in their car. I started thinking about drawing from a seated position. I no longer carry at the more comfortable (for me) 4:00 position...I switched to 3:00. I also discovered it is very hard to draw quickly as your concealment garment is easier to snag on the weapon, the holster's clip or a seat belt. It easily adds time to your draw stroke and is very hard to do without leaning. The smock bypasses those little gotcha's quite nicely, but I can't wear one everywhere I go.

Edit:: I always bring a folding chair with me when I go shooting, now. That presents a snag, also. I have to lean forward a bit or the grip may hit the chair-back.

 

[Dnaltrop]

Drawing from a seat is why I OC at 3oclock in my car, then flip the Hawaiian shirt back over when I reach my destination.

My left arm can barely manage to sweep my shirt when I'm standing, impossible with any speed if i'm pinning the shirt down by sitting on it, or against the center console.

Also another good reason to wear a chained wallet... you can grab the hanging chain and extract the wallet without digging around , just tuck the chain into the pocket if you don't want to have it visible.

 

[ForumSurfer]

Drawing from IWB at ~4:00 looks much like reaching for a wallet

Reaching for anything will look like looking for a wallet in a tense situation like that. I'm worried about the worst case scenario where you need the speed advantage. OWB as opposed to IWB makes it much easier, or so it seems for me.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I would highly recommend folks, who want to be prepared for something like this, go out and try it with an unloaded gun (or an airsoft gun) to understand what is involved. It is more than just leaning forward and clearing your cover garment. I did some testing of this when my workstation was at a desk. You should try it from different seated positions and different chairs. The technique used in a vehicle, from a couch, and from various chairs differs quite a bit. You should also practice not sweeping parts of your body with the muzzle during the draw.

Some points to keep in mind:
In a car:
1. Always clear the tail of an open shirt/coat from under the seatbelt
2. Be aware of how much clearance you'll need for your elbow
3. Track the sweep of your muzzle as you bring it across your body to point out a window.

In a public place:
1. Avoid open back chairs...the butt of your gun could catch
2. Avoid chairs with arms...it limits lateral displacement of your gun after you clear leather
3. Avoid wide chairs...limits rearward movement of the elbow
4. Sit up straight

Many folks will practice, at the range, in a folding chair. It is a good start, but doesn't really prepare you for deploying a gun while sitting in a chair in the real world. There are correct techniques which are both safe and fast...just as there is correct technique for picking up a gun from a flat surface (desk, nightstand)