Attention Clip Nazis!
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Go ahead and call it a clip, if you must. Load your clips with bullets, if you insist.
I'm pretty easy-going, but I will be cringing inside every time you misuse those terms. I'll start off assuming you don't know much about guns. You might even be a lame Fudd.
Maybe you fought the ChiComs at the Chosin Reservoir, desperately cramming clips of bullets into your carbine to fend off the human waves. If so, I can only respect and revere your sacrifice and service.
But I'll still cringe, and assume you don't know much. I'll just try not to let it show.
I use a clip to load cartridges into the magazine.
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By the way, don't get me going on the difference between "cement" and "concrete". I really cringe every time I hear concrete called cement. Cement is one ingredient of concrete.
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I'm pretty easy-going, but I will be cringing inside every time you misuse those terms. I'll start off assuming you don't know much about guns. You might even be a lame Fudd.
Maybe you fought the ChiComs at the Chosin Reservoir, desperately cramming clips of bullets into your carbine to fend off the human waves. If so, I can only respect and revere your sacrifice and service.
But I'll still cringe, and assume you don't know much. I'll just try not to let it show.
I use a clip to load cartridges into the magazine.
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By the way, don't get me going on the difference between "cement" and "concrete". I really cringe every time I hear concrete called cement. Cement is one ingredient of concrete.
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Guitargod1985
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It's "catsup," not "ketchup!"
So, these are not bullets?
Throughout 60 or more years of shooting, I've seen clip and magazine and bullet and cartridge used interchangebly by noted writers and respected firearms journals. I have learned to use the currently correct terms just to avoid controversy, e.g., this thread.
I suspect it all started when some DI made some maggot do 100 pushups for using the term clip. And that poor unfortunate maggot transferred his "learning experience" to civilian life and would like all of us do 100 pushups for saying "clip" inappropriately.
Just as some other unfortunate maggot was punished for saying "gun" instead of rifle --whence the infamous poem about guns and rifles and male accessory equipment.
So:
"This is my mag, and this is my clip.
From one to the other, the bullets I strip."
Dang, I couldn't make "cartridges" fit the meter.
Terry, 230RN
Throughout 60 or more years of shooting, I've seen clip and magazine and bullet and cartridge used interchangebly by noted writers and respected firearms journals. I have learned to use the currently correct terms just to avoid controversy, e.g., this thread.
I suspect it all started when some DI made some maggot do 100 pushups for using the term clip. And that poor unfortunate maggot transferred his "learning experience" to civilian life and would like all of us do 100 pushups for saying "clip" inappropriately.
Just as some other unfortunate maggot was punished for saying "gun" instead of rifle --whence the infamous poem about guns and rifles and male accessory equipment.
So:
"This is my mag, and this is my clip.
From one to the other, the bullets I strip."
Dang, I couldn't make "cartridges" fit the meter.
Terry, 230RN
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My theory of the "clip pile-on" that seems to be common to internet gun forums is that it's a very simple thing to learn which means that it's a topic on which EVERYONE can be an expert.
I suspect it provides a nice warm feeling to know that whatever else you know or (mostly) don't know about guns, you know enough to jump all over the next newbie when he innocently uses the word clip.
In other words, "I may not be able to spell Beretta, aperture, misfire, or Patridge, I may not know the difference between a muzzle break and a muzzle brake, an ejector and an extractor, a reticle and a reticule BUT I sure as heck know that it's a magazine not a clip. Now where's a newbie when you need one--I've got just the thing to post to put him in his place."
I suspect it provides a nice warm feeling to know that whatever else you know or (mostly) don't know about guns, you know enough to jump all over the next newbie when he innocently uses the word clip.
In other words, "I may not be able to spell Beretta, aperture, misfire, or Patridge, I may not know the difference between a muzzle break and a muzzle brake, an ejector and an extractor, a reticle and a reticule BUT I sure as heck know that it's a magazine not a clip. Now where's a newbie when you need one--I've got just the thing to post to put him in his place."
WardenWolf
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You know what? It doesn't matter. Honestly, it doesn't. The term "clip" was originally used for a means to bulk load cartridges into a rifle, aka the stripper clip, which also had to be loaded, in advance, individually. Guess what? A detachable magazine has the exact same function and characteristics. If you want to get technical, a detachable magazine is an "enclosed clip with integral feeding mechanism". It shares equally as much function with the original stripper clips as it does with internal magazines, as it is an ammunition holding device, loaded in advance, that is used to quickly load cartridges into a firearm. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to call it either a "clip" or a "magazine".
So what is it? "Clip" or "magazine" or "detachable magazine"? Call it what you personally want, but any one of them is technically and historically correct. Don't criticize someone else for using any of the above terms.
So what is it? "Clip" or "magazine" or "detachable magazine"? Call it what you personally want, but any one of them is technically and historically correct. Don't criticize someone else for using any of the above terms.
My professional opinion is that between gunsmiths and industry folks we use magazine when we mean magazine, clip when we mean clip, etc.
When talking to customers, say/use whatever terminology they understand and themselves use - as long as it's reasonably close, it doesn't really matter.
When talking to customers, say/use whatever terminology they understand and themselves use - as long as it's reasonably close, it doesn't really matter.
BHP FAN
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Right,and any high capacity firearm is an ''assault rifle''. Nobody has to do any push ups,but when you get lazy,and don't use the correct terms,anybody can call anything...well,anything.
Clipper
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Game, set and MATCH!
Deer Hunter
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Clip Nazis?
I guess I'm a nazi about a lot of stuff.
Grammar, guns, bikes, money, politics, life.
Here's a humbling thought...
Words Mean Things.
I guess I'm a nazi about a lot of stuff.
Grammar, guns, bikes, money, politics, life.
Here's a humbling thought...
Words Mean Things.
walker944
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Mass marketing to the "ignornant" has worked for eons.
Fascinating thread, really
for what it reveals about humans.
Some enjoy stirring the pot. Any pot will do. They bring a victim mentality to the table, and thrive on chaos or controversy. They are determined not to follow standards, and criticize those who do. They choose to follow others who should have known better.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction in the physical world, and, so it seems, in the metaphysical world. The more one group advocates order and precision, the more the stirrers protest, using predictably inaccurate terminology. Soon discussion devolves into a shouting match and you have thoroughly polarized factions who completely dismiss each other.
So please, by all means continue to misuse clip, Nazi, assault weapon, and other terms. It helps with identification and avoidance. It doesn't seem do much to improve knowledge and credibility of gun owners, however.
for what it reveals about humans.
Some enjoy stirring the pot. Any pot will do. They bring a victim mentality to the table, and thrive on chaos or controversy. They are determined not to follow standards, and criticize those who do. They choose to follow others who should have known better.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction in the physical world, and, so it seems, in the metaphysical world. The more one group advocates order and precision, the more the stirrers protest, using predictably inaccurate terminology. Soon discussion devolves into a shouting match and you have thoroughly polarized factions who completely dismiss each other.
So please, by all means continue to misuse clip, Nazi, assault weapon, and other terms. It helps with identification and avoidance. It doesn't seem do much to improve knowledge and credibility of gun owners, however.
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Joe Demko
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Words are not the things they describe.
wuchak
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BHP Fan said:
Duck is a brand of duct tape. It's made by Duck Brands. They make all kinds of tape, glue, weatherstripping, etc. Interestingly it seems that the original generic term for the tape was "duck" not "duct".
http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html
Is it Duct or Duck? We don’t want you to be confused, so we will explain. The first name for Duct Tape was DUCK. During World War II the U.S. Military needed a waterproof tape to keep the moisture out of ammunition cases. So, they enlisted the Johnson and Johnson Permacel Division to manufacture the tape. Because it was waterproof, everyone referred to it as “duck” tape (like water off a duck’s back). Military personnel discovered that the tape was good for lots more than keeping out water. They used it for Jeep repair, fixing stuff on their guns, strapping equipment to their clothing... the list is endless.
After the War, the housing industry was booming and someone discovered that the tape was great for joining the heating and air conditioning duct work. So, the color was changed from army green to the silvery color we are familiar with today and people started to refer to it as “duct tape*.” Therefore, either name is appropriate.
Three pages worth of this??!!
Let's not go for four.
Let's not go for four.
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