Attention Texans in DFW area

[aguyindallas]

I am open to almost any weekend in April. I do have only one problem. I have to work EVERY Saturday, so I can only come on Sunday's. A handgun class would be fun. I think I am equipped well enough, other than having a tactical light which would prevent me from a low light shoot. For shotgun, I need to change the stock on my hand cannon and I believe I would be properly equipped. Sounds like fun. Although the Shooting Gallery was quite a drive for me, I don't really mind. I think its going to end up being the best place for us to shoot regularly simply because we can reserve that whole range, the exhaust system works great, they have the nice little lounge area and we can shoot rifle there too (somewhat limited in range space, but ok). I bet if we proved to be good folks to them, they would even let us shoot the occasional shotgun in there too (alduro, your thoughts).

Also, I am no where close to being rifle course equipped, but it would be fun to at least watch you guys even if I dont participate.

 

[TechBrute]

I think I am equipped well enough, other than having a tactical light which would prevent me from a low light shoot.

Obviously I wouldn't expect you get a light just for this course, but a Surefire G2 can be had for around $30, if you wanted to go that route.

 

[tiberius]

I should have put SERIOUS in quotes too.

I'm lacking a good precision bolt gun. It's on my list after I complete the AR.

 

[TechBrute]

Sundays often work better for me when getting together. I guess that's Steve's only option, so whatever weekend we decide for April, I'd like to see it on a Sunday. Anybody have a problem with Sundays?

 

[orangeninja]

Sunday's work great for me.


" I bet if we proved to be good folks to them, they would even let us shoot the occasional shotgun in there too (alduro, your thoughts). "


I bet they would eventually let us, I will see if I can work out a special arragement....like we would only use 7 1/2 shot for practice or somthing. Which will be fine for close in shooting, it takes a few yards for patterns to spread.

tiberius: for a good really accurate bolt try a Mitchel's Mauser 8mm or one of the SOG Mosin Nagat's 7.62x54 which are going for about 59.00. Drop it in an ATI stock with a bent bolt and scope and you've spent less than 200.00 for what I have been told is an outstandingly accurate rifle. I can PERSONALLY attest to the accuracy of an 8mm Mauser made on German machines...."Tack Driver", thy name is K98...or 48 for the Yugo's.

I do not personally feel myself properly equipted for a rifle course...about the best I could do is an SKS using stripper clips. I'm not sure how well that would work out but I would avoid the CETME or CMTE whatever. It seems that quality control is pretty low for those things....you never know what you're gonna get. I might just wind up getting a plinker from Oly arms...to satisfy the AR nuts...though I personally would prefer a nice scoped sniper type rifle.

 

[Hawk]

Sunday's are good by me.

I believe DFW Gun is OK with shotguns. I know I've seen 'em used there. This is, after all, the crowd that lets me air out the Rigby on an indoor range that is separated from the lounge by nothing more than a window. I suspect I prove to be a mild distraction to those watching movies. Lucky for them I'm done for the day after (at most) 5 rounds.

My experiences with my two M-N's are hit & miss. One of the cut-down numbers seems to shoot well; the one with the counterbore in lieu of re-crown might as well be a smoothbore. I'm looking forward to trying a K98 based on Alduro's comments.

Until that happens, the all time tack-driving, slick action, nice trigger mil-surp is the Swiss K-31. Too bad the ammo is spendier than the 8mm.

 

[TechBrute]

Late notice, but I'll be at Winchester tomorrow breaking in a newbie about 2PM. He's never shot before, so this will be his first impression of shooters. Oh yeah, he votes, too.

Doin what I can for the RKBA! (Alduro, that stands for Right to Keep and Bear Arms. )

 

[DonNikmare]

I really liked the Shooting gallery set up for handgun shooting. It was great to have everyone shooting at the same time and not have to call an all clear every time a target needed changing as it would have been at an outdoor range.

I like the outdoor range for a rifle shoot and/or handgun class. The gallery's rifle set up is a little limited - it was kinda crammed with 2 guys shooting and 4 or 5 watching.

Regarding dates the April 20 something weekend is better for me but I would try to make whichever one we settle on.

Thanks for the rifle advice....I'll post my query in the rifle section which I have not visited.

Nik

 

[orangeninja]

"Alduro, that stands for Right to Keep and Bear Arms"


Really? I thought it stood for "Right to Kick Brute's @$$!"

And I was just about to get one of those to.

Hey, a dude is buying my Beretta 92>......how cool is that? Looks like I might be able to get an AR after all. I think I am going to get the Olympic Arms Plinker....since anything more expensive I would be drawn and quartered by my future wife for getting. Besides, the next step up that Techbrute recommended would STILL need optics before you could shoot it. MAJOR bummer. Open sights with a plinker will have to do.


OR an Armalite 180....which is what my dealer recommends. Any of you guys have experience with either of these?

 

[TechBrute]

I thought it stood for "Right to Kick Brute's @$$!"

Touche!

I think I am going to get the Olympic Arms Plinker

You're killing me... Spend the extra $150... Confucious say, "buy quality and you only cry once. Buy crap and you cry all the time."

Just kidding. The plinkers are not complete crap, IMHO the big weakness is their configuration with the fixed A1 carry handle. You really should spend the extra and get a flat-top. Put some iron sights or a carry handle on it and you are GTG. Then you'll have more flexibility later.

I've never fired a 180, but everything I've heard was positive.

 

[Billmanweh]

so what does an AR-15 cost anyway?

 

[TechBrute]

so what does an AR-15 cost anyway?

$600 and up. Most fall in the $700-900 range. Like anything else, the sky's the limit. Having $2500 in the upper by itself isn't unheard of, and $1500 for a pre-ban lower isn't that bad, either. Then you could upgrade the stock to a Magpul M93 for $250 and have yourself a nice $4250 rifle. Oh yeah... forgot to put optics or sights on that... you get the drift.

I'd probably opt for spending $700ish on a used flat-top and then getting some iron sights for it.

Alduro, I don't know the deal with the LEO-only rifles, but they come up for sale in the ARFCOM equipment exchange periodically for $650-$750. They can have all the pre-ban goodies that peasants can't be trusted with. Might as well use one of those perks, right?

What's a Plinker going for these days, anyway?

 

[Hawk]

AR-15's can be most anything one would want them to be...

TechBrute might verify (from shooting my STI) that I can be somewhat anal-retentive about triggers. My first AR was a Rock River Varmint EOP 24" with a NM 2 stage trigger and Hubble space telescope (actually a Springer 6-20 MilDot) bolted to the top - likely not recognizable as an AR.

My only other AR started life when I found out Sarah B. was litigating Bushmaster after the beltway incident. I bought a Dissipater upper for MSRP from their (Bushmaster's - not Brady's) web site. Later on, I got a Rock River lower which came together into a frankengun I thought sucked - trigger has been replaced with an "Accuracy Speaks" product and now I can live with it. Safety engagement is a little rough due to the hack that assembled it (unh, ME)

Two guns that couldn't be more different - a most adaptable weapon. I'm just starting to learn.

Ironically enough, without the '94 ban and Sarah's grave dance, I never would have discovered either - I bought 'em out of sheer spite. The first because of Clinton, the second because of Sarah. I hope they're both proud.

Up until the political mess, AR's were at the bottom of my list - I mean, every time you pulled the trigger (no mean feat in itself) you got...
Pop....SPROING
Pop....SPROING
I've learned to like it - welcome to the dark side.

 

[RRTX]

The main problem with the plinker is that it is a cast reciever, you can find an olympic with a forged receiver for ~100 bucks more. I paid 550 for my olympic PCR2 in like new condition. I wish it was a removable carry handle, but I can still mount some sort of optics and use the fixed sights as well. Speaking of which, TechBrute I need to try out your aimpoint I'm good for any weekend in april for the GTG so lets set what works best for everyone. As far as the courses go, I agree that it seems everyone is a little better prepped for a handgun course. I'm not in a huge hurry on that, I'd prefer to have my 1911 in hand for it as that is going to be my carry weapon.

 

[TechBrute]

Speaking of which, TechBrute I need to try out your aimpoint

I'll be at the range tomorrow, and should be at the next get-together. Any time!

Dude, I TOTALLY forgot that the Plinker has a cast reciever!! EWWWWWW!! Avoid cast recievers!! EWWWW...

 

[RRTX]

What time are you gonna be there tomorrow? Winchester right? I may have to come out there, I need to try and finish getting my AR sighted in anyway

 

[TechBrute]

I'll be at Winchester around 2 tomorrow. I'm picking up my buddy at 1 and we are going to get some ammo somewhere and then drop by the gun shop across the street so I can finger some rifles and then will be at the range after that. Probably 230 at the latest, but if you're coming I'll make the effort to be on time.

 

[Hawk]

I've got a couple - three hundred rounds of some kind of Swiss surplus 5.56 FMJ that's been gathering dust for a while.

Let me know if you feel like burning some of it up. According to Eric at Ammoman.com, it's supposed to be pretty accurate stuff.

 

[RRTX]

I should be able to make it, no big deal if you are a little late though I'll just browse around the gun shop since I haven't been in there lol. I keep seeing all these good deals on 5.56 and I can't take any of them up...... damn match chambered .223

 

[TechBrute]

Hawk, you gonna be there? If so, bring it on. I've got some .45 I can swap you, or throw some dinero your way, your choice.

 

[Hawk]

See ya around 2:00. I'll bring a couple hundred rounds of Swiss. I'm short on .45 but need to shoot the AR anyhow.

You got any .44 that I won't need a mallet to hammer out of the model 29? I'm still stinging from that PMC from the first meet. I'm feeling guilty about what I might have done to your Anaconda.

Actually, I'm rather looking forward to trying out my newbie AR's - don't worry about anything other than burning the Swiss stuff.

 

[orangeninja]

Techbrute....ALRIGHT!!! I won't get a plinker....jeezzz. You beat me down. But neither will I get an AR 15...my fiancee just spent that money on flowers for the wedding. FLOWERS!!!!!!

So it looks like I still may go Soviet, Combloc or Russian...whatever you want to call it. But my "rifle of the people" will take on any "capitalist bourgeoisie scum, the rise of the proletariat assault weapon is imminent"

I will name my new nation...the peoples republic of cheese.

I wish I could meet you guys at the range tomorrow...are ya'll sure you don't want to go on sunday instead?

It was worth a try.

Hawk...are we still on for 1PM Sunday afternoon at DFW gun?

 

[Hawk]

Alduro -

We're still on.

 

[roo_ster]

Hundreds of dollars on flowers. Welcome to the club! Just wait until you find out how much a stinkin' CAKE costs...

Maybe I can put how much OUR cake cost in terms y'all can appreciate:

2 SW1911s
or
6 Unissued Yugo M48 Mausers
or
12 Yugo SKSs, across the street from the range
or
5 used S&W K-frame .38spl
or
1 STI Trojan 6.0
or
3 Dillon 650 Presses
or
6 used Rem 870s
or
16,000 rounds of milsurp 7.62x54

OK, I gotta stop now, before you see a grown man cry...

We paid for our own wedding...and had it all paid off within months. Being in debt for discretionary purchases is for the birds.

 

[orangeninja]

jfruser....YOU"RE NOT HELPING!!!!


If she wants cake to eat....she can EAT ME!:banghead:


Actually...I lucked out, her Aunt made the cake for free, she used to do it for a living. But I still seem to be going friggin' broke. ***?!?!? Where does it all go?

Now I'm gonna cry at the wedding...instead of seeing roses...I'm watching my would be AR15 being slowly demolished.