Avoid the Taurus GX4
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Then explain why the TX22 is so widely lauded.
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Never had this problem with any other firearm before, so doubtful.
Please re-read my statement carefully.
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If you can't provide reasons, that's fine, but this topic would be better served devoid of statements of a vacuous nature.
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Fixed it for you.
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Why is his experience BS and should be discounted, but yours should not?
I never said anything about the TX22. I'd never even heard of it until you brought it up. I stated a fact. Some products are cheap for a good reason. The Taurus pistols I've had experience with fall into that category.
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This is part of the reason I made the topic, I could have bought a more popular brand with a similar price level and had the same issues, but there wouldn't have been an influx of negative statements made about the brand as a whole.
I have honestly laid out everything I've encountered with the GX4, before discovering this issue every aspect of it had pleased me more than the Glocks and Rugers I have because it feels and sounds very good; to me this is the essence of a quality firearm.
But the function has to be there. It's not right now, I do think it can be once it's sent back.
Stuff happens, I will give Taurus a chance to fix it and if the results are good then I see no reason why Taurus can't be viewed as having improved their warranty service, because if this were Ruger or S&W all I would hear in the topic is the singing of praise for their CS.
With Taurus it would be crickets.
I will update when it returns.
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When did you own these Taurus pistols?
I didn't. I had multiple students bring them to CHL classes and I had two friends that owned them.
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What models were they?
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Name another, more popular, brand at this level. There isn't one. (And that's a problem.) The closest thing I can think of is RIA, and RIA is pretty close to junk, too. Taurus has been selling guns in the US a lot longer than RIA, therefore they have well-established, albeit negative, reputation. What RIA has going for them, or so I've read, is their customer service. But even at that, if everyone is using their customer service so much that word is getting around, it tells me that their guns are constantly having problems, or else, why would everyone be using their customer service?
And rightly so. Ruger and Smith have been in the US market a long time, and they've earned their reputation. When my 22S had a broken recoil buffer spring, I sent S&W an email and I had a package full of replacement buffers in my mailbox within days. If that were Taurus, they would have made me send my gun back to be lost in their warehouse for months. And as for Ruger's CS, I don't know. I've never actually a met a person anywhere who had to use Ruger's CS. Ever. And they are very popular guns where I live.
Various G3's mostly. Failures to feed were the most common problem.
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Ive had 2 encounter's with RIA customer service, neither was a positive experience. The 1st was a VR80 shotgun that would not chamber a round, sent it in, got it back and they had took a dremel and a sander to the inside of the upper receiver, they did not even both to re-finish it or clean out the metal shavings. It also had a lot of blemishes to the outside finish that it did not have when I sent it in. The second time was a double stack 10mm 1911. It constantly jammed, rounds would get stuck in the chamber, failures to feed, the works so I had it sent in. They sent it back without doing anything to it. I don't buy anything with their name on it anymore.
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That pretty much confirms my bias. You know. It never ceases to amaze me how people buy some of the cheapest products (not just firearms-I see with tools all the time), and are then upset when those products, invariably, don't perform to the same standard as a similar product that cost significantly more. I mean, I get it. Your budget is your budget, and you have to live within your budget. I've been there. We've all been there. But that cheap product is just not going to work out like you hope it will.
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A Taurus that has a problem with the trigger reset?
Never. Been. Done. Before. Unless it was 2011.
The Taurus TCP would lock up if you let the trigger out to the first "click".....then pulled the trigger.
Well known problems documented often.
I remember well. The false reset followed by a trigger pull dropped the hammer from a “half cock” aka pre-cock position. Which meant you got a light strike and an uncocked gun. So now you had to rack out a good unfired cartridge to cock the gun again.
Many 1st Gen KelTecs had the same issue, but KelTec sorted it out and fixed the problem. Taurus put the TCP problem on “ignore”.
The LCP and TCP mechanism is simply a copy of the KelTec design. But Ruger got it right by properly following what problems the early KelTec pocket guns went through. Why Taurus wouldn’t acknowledge the problem and make a fix boggled my mind at the time.
I fixed my TCP732 with KelTec or Ruger LCP parts (can’t rightly remember which anymore) since Taurus was playing the ignore card.
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Well, I'm just kind of a gun nut and a impulse shopper, so I wind up with a wide variety of firearms ranging from the cheapest up to some that cost as much as a decent used car. I really don't have a bias against any particular name brand until said name brand gives me a reason to dislike their product. Granted, cheaper made things break more often than higher costing things and I completely understand that when I spend my money, but I expect decent customer service, regardless of the price of the product. I also don't really mind being the qc for a company, as long they fix it in a timely manner when I find the problem.
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(I told myself I wasn't gonna post in a brand-bashing thread, yet here I am)
Taurus sells a butt-ton of handguns.
We, the cognoscenti, who follow all subjects related to firearms, know of the complaints about every manufacturer. But we also have problems with perspective. And, most of us are naturally a little snobbish by nature when it comes to our hardware.
Reputation is an interesting thing in our society. Once popular opinion goes a certain way on a certain topic or company, it's generally regarded as truth. Even when it is no longer, or ever was, the truth.
It's almost like Hunter's laptop. The story got out, but no one believed it 'cause the media said it was Russian disinformation. No one (less Fox News viewers) ever read the retractions.
For me, I'm not gonna go international on the internet and say avoid a certain brand! when my experience was only a sample of -- exactly -- ONE.
Shucks, I've owned double-digits of S&W revolvers that plain stunk. They broke, had issues, bad fit and finish, didn't shoot straight, etc., etc. And I still love them. And I never once complained about any of 'em on the internet.
Taurus sells a butt-ton of handguns.
We, the cognoscenti, who follow all subjects related to firearms, know of the complaints about every manufacturer. But we also have problems with perspective. And, most of us are naturally a little snobbish by nature when it comes to our hardware.
Reputation is an interesting thing in our society. Once popular opinion goes a certain way on a certain topic or company, it's generally regarded as truth. Even when it is no longer, or ever was, the truth.
It's almost like Hunter's laptop. The story got out, but no one believed it 'cause the media said it was Russian disinformation. No one (less Fox News viewers) ever read the retractions.
For me, I'm not gonna go international on the internet and say avoid a certain brand! when my experience was only a sample of -- exactly -- ONE.
Shucks, I've owned double-digits of S&W revolvers that plain stunk. They broke, had issues, bad fit and finish, didn't shoot straight, etc., etc. And I still love them. And I never once complained about any of 'em on the internet.
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Well, I'm "that guy." I've had to use Ruger customer service, but I have to go back to the late 70's?...early 80's to do so. And it was for of all things, a Speed-Six 357 (about as bullet-proof as you'd think a gun could be) that would bind up when firing. Dealer shipped it back for me, no charge, Ruger fixed it and got it back in a week or so. No charge of course. I think they even polished it up a bit, and refinished the grips. It was a long time ago, so I don't really remember the details.
I've got a couple of Taurus semi's now. A G2c, and a G-3. Haven't had any problems with them, but they're only got a couple hundred rounds through each. They were cheap, so I though I'd give them try. I started to get a G-4, but it was fifty bucks or so more than the older models, and I wanted to get them as cheap as I could. While I've only fired each a couple of hundred rounds, I have dry fired them each thousands of times using a laser "cartridge" Doesn't have the recoil of course, but things like trigger reset do get a workout. More off topic, but you will learn a lot about trigger control and sight alignment from those little lasers. Well worth the money.
I've always liked their revolvers, but the ones I've had were all made in the 70's-90 era. Nice guns really, but I admit that I more or less cherry picked them from the used gun case at my LGS. I also didn't shoot them extensively before seeing some other "bright, shiny thing" I couldn't live without and sold/traded them off.
I did have a little Taurus Spectrum? 380 that turned out to be a jammer, so I got rid of it. I should have tried different ammo, maybe a different mag in it though. Might have been something as simple as that.
Man...I wandered all over with that one, didn't I?
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This. They all work. The PT 92 and 99 have untold thousands of rounds through them. TheTX22 is an all around winner, though I did have to send a magazine back. I got a new one in a week. The G3 has only about 400 rounds through it but no problems at all. All this praise and I'm a CZ guy. I just wonder how many people bad mouth Taurus who really have no experience with them. Sort of like "No, I would never own one because my Brother in law's Son's Friend heard that they jam."
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The very first gun I ever bought was almost a Taurus TCP 380. It was on my very short list for my first ever carry gun (this was ~10 years ago)... until I learned that if you inadvertently pull the trigger again before letting it fully reset, it will disable the firing mechanism requiring you to rack the slide (and lose the round) to reset it! I considered that to be a fatal flaw, and ended up getting a Ruger LCP instead. Looking back, I'm glad I learned about that before making the purchase. This was before I heard about the poor reputation Taurus has among the gun community.
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Personal experience is ideal, but not realistic for most people. Most folks can't afford to buy similar guns from multiple companies and then put enough ammo through all of them to really test their capabilities. Folks need to acquire a base level of knowledge and then take the advice of people who do have lots of experience and apply all of that to their decisions.
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Don't need to own a Lamborghini Countach to know its a flat out awesome car or an AMC pacer to know its a total pos either.
Knowledge can be gained by either 1st or 2nd hand experience.
My Dad has a Taurus .22 revolver. My only experience with Taurus. This revolver disproved the rule that feeding issues are unique to semi-automatics.
My suggestion with Taurus would be "trust, but verify."
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