Benefits of coyote hunting

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I see them as pests, to be hunted and dispatched humanely, that are in no danger of disappearing, but when it comes to livestock, there are other predators that can be more devastating that are protected.

My brother has a small farm, and loses a dozen or more chickens every year to hawks. Lots of coyotes there too, but they aren't getting his chickens.
 
Patocazador said:
I've lost 3 calves to coyotes. I hate 'em and will kill one at every opportunity I get.
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Hi Bob,

We lose calves to them on occasion but they are just God's creatures doing what God intended them to do. Hating them is like hating the rain when the pastures are flooded, the wind when it's tearing the shingles off your roof or the robin when it poops on your windshield.

We are intended to replace the predators that we have eliminated in our own expansion. The rifle ball and trap has replaced rabies and the other diseases that used to keep their population in check. Pest control is a part of keeping livestock, but we can't hate the pest in question without hating the very God that gave us dominion of the livestock in the first place.

I've heard on another board that burros are used out west to pasture with cattle because they tend to attack and drive away feral dogs and coyotes. I'm in the process of trying to find a pair under the assumption if nothing else I still have my grandfather's mule harnesses and wagon. It might be good experience for my two children to learn to drive with animal power even if they don't keep the coyotes away from my chickens!
 
Patocazador said:
A robin pooping on your windshield is an annoyance. Losing 3 calves is losing ~$1500. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I HATE COYOTES!!!
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I didn't say I didn't understand your feelings, I do. I'm just saying it's a waste of time. Years ago a state veterinarian had 32 cattle test positive for brucellosis. In a panic he order the milk production for the entire township to be destroyed until the neighboring herds could be tested. Gramps and Dad went over to the neighbors and looked the cattle over then Gramps had the vet return. The old man flipped the ear tag showing the vaccination and asked the vet (in language I cannot repeat) what that was.

After the vet very red-faced rescinded the destroy order the old man turned to Dad and me saying remember, you don't punish dumb animals you kick their _uh_ body parts out of the county. The vet was too busy driving away to make reply.

The moral is, hating is a waste of time and effort. Hate doesn't cut the risks it just makes you feel like you are doing something. Hate at 100 meters isn't going to minimize risk nearly as well as a dispassionate plan for pest eradication. Even worse, if you allow yourself to hate everything that cuts into your bottom line you end up hating the world in general and start voting Democrat.
 
I hunt coyotes for 2 main reasons. !. Varmint control and 2. Fun!! I have friends and family that raise cattle and chickens and have lots of farm cats. In addition, coyotes kill fawns and my family all hunt deer. Coyotes kill lots of ground nesting birds and eat the eggs. We hunt turkeys, pheasants and quail. Coyotes are harmful to all of them. Let me mention FUN again. I love being outdoors, overlooking broad areas of terrain and seeing a coyote come to my call. And NO, I don't eat the mangy critters, but buzzards do. My nephew sells the fur so I give them to him.
 
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This deer was a young buck, as you can tell by the rack, run down in the snow by a big pack. They did this from about 11pm to when i got out there at 8am; my dog was making a racket, but obviously if i'd let her out she'd have disappeared.

Around here (CT) dogs under 50#s go missing regularly; this bitch weighed in at 65#. That's my registered 10/22 Assault Weapon (only in CT!) for scale.
 
Anybody who frets about attitudes against coyotes oughta talk to folks who are in the livestock business. The ad valorem tax man doesn't give a rat's patoot about the profitability of the farmer or rancher. Losses from predation are not deductible from the school taxes.

Ask any sheep or goat rancher.

The owner of our deer lease ranch set out 1,000 goats on the 7,000 acres. The first year kid crop was 600. He went on an all-out predation control effort. The next year the kid crop was 800. At $50 per goat, that's a $10,000 improvement.
 
Sniper66 said:
I hunt coyotes for 2 main reasons. !. Varmint control and 2. Fun!! I have friends and family that raise cattle and chickens and have lots of farm cats. In addition, coyotes kill fawns and my family all hunt deer. Coyotes kill lots of ground nesting birds and eat the eggs. We hunt turkeys, pheasants and quail. Coyotes are harmful to all of them. Let me mention FUN again. I love being outdoors, overlooking broad areas of terrain and seeing a coyote come to my call. And NO, I don't eat the mangy critters, but buzzards do. My nephew sells the fur so I give them to him.
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I gotta question the sanity of anyone who thinks killing living creatures is "fun". I hunt, just taught to eat what you kill.
 
Seems to me that the fun part of the deal is the successful shot, not the kill as such. Whether or not you eat the killed critter is irrelevant.

Any shot is some degree of challenge. Successfully overcoming a challenge is fun. Or satisfying; pick your own appropriate word.

Lots of us love domesticated dogs. Feral dogs and varmint dogs aren't the same as domesticated dogs. Whole different deal.

Domesticated dogs are the sort of people who would pay back a loan. Feral and varmint dogs are pretty much lying thieves.
 
I gotta question the sanity of anyone who thinks killing living creatures is "fun". I hunt, just taught to eat what you kill.
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The post didn't say that killing was fun - the post said that HUNTING was fun. There's a difference.
 
Slappy White said:
I gotta question the sanity of anyone who thinks killing living creatures is "fun". I hunt, just taught to eat what you kill.
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I enjoy hunting, both with rifle and bow, the bottom line is death. My occupation is now agriculture, again, the bottom line is death. The rafters on every building on the place are coated with contact poison to kill roosting birds. It's not from joy of killing but the fact that bird droppings contaminate fodder and grain leaving both unavailable for consumption. Our priorities is a few dead birds rather than a lot of hungry human beings.

Coyotes are killed on sight, not out of hate but simply because any calf they pull down won't be available to provide milk in the future. Which would you rather see, the coyote wild and free or a schoolchild with milk for lunch?

Life feeds off of death, that's simply the way things is. Even the vegan's with their holier than thou attitudes still thrive on the death of living things. After all, bread is simply the product of aborted wheat. Sometimes that death is direct, the deer under the tree stand, the fish in the net or the cow in the slaughterhouse. Sometimes the death is indirect, the microbes killed by antibiotics or for vaccines or the predators that prey on food animals making those animals unavailable for human consumption.

Eat what you kill is a noble sentiment, very high up on the Mazlow scale and the mark of civilization. However, before self-transcendence can be obtained there is still the little matter of physiological needs. You may not eat what eats what you eat, but unless there is enough room at the dinner table for both of you it had best be killed anyway. I have a choice between the coyotes' pups being well fed or my children being well fed. I can't have both, telling me it's immoral to chose my children over the coyotes is as unnatural and insane an idea as I've ever heard.
 
I gotta question the sanity of anyone who thinks killing living creatures is "fun". I hunt, just taught to eat what you kill.
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The choice to not allow God's great gifts to go to waste is high on the list of ethics of every hunter I know, but is hardly moral justification for hunting, unless you are doing it for survival. I understand that there are a few people in a few remote areas that hunt to survive, but the overwhelming majority of hunters in America, do so because THEY ENJOY IT, and that has no relevance as to whether or not meat of the speicies being pursued is particularly suitable as tablefare.

Long the same lines, I hunt because I enjoy it, and not because I harbor some hatred of the species being pursued. Its hard to hate God's creatures for doing what they do, and I prefer to be grateful for the hunting opportunities that I have been provided to enjoy.
 
Any carcass left to nature will be processed by the creatures, both big and very small, who feed and clean up all the nasty dead things that are part of the "circle of life".
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I've noticed that most dead things like road kill do get eaten by critters pretty quickly; but not dead coyotes, in my experience. They tend to rot. Anyone else notice this?
 
I can't have both, telling me it's immoral to chose my children over the coyotes is as unnatural and insane an idea as I've ever heard.
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Very Good !!!

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I have noticed predators laying on the side of the road longer, "housecats" being the worst.
Always kinda thought the possums and buzzards didn't believe they were dead & instinct told em to keep away. ;)
 
I gotta question the sanity of anyone who thinks killing living creatures is "fun". I hunt, just taught to eat what you kill.
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Better call the docs to have me hauled off to the looney bin. Growing up on the family ranch, coyotes and prairie dogs were considered pests to be eliminated given any opportunity. Spent many an afternoon vaporizing as many prairie dogs as I possibly could, hundreds a day probably in some cases....and I enjoyed each and every trigger squeeze. These are pests thats ultimately cost rancher's money, whether from lost livestock in the case of predators to loss of usable grassland in the case of prairie dogs. I don't feel bad for taking part in reducing their numbers whenever possible, and enjoy the challenge of predator/varmint hunting, and would honestly have to be starving to even consider eating either. While the "I eat what I kill" mantra sounds good, it simply isn't a practical option when varmints are an issue that need to be dealt with before they become an even more severe issue, where posioning and aerial hunting become necessary to effectively control numbers
 
I guess eat what you kill makes sense. I do wonder though how many house flies or mosquitos you have to mash together to keep them from falling through the grates on a BBQ.

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Davek1977 said:
Better call the docs to have me hauled off to the looney bin. Growing up on the family ranch, coyotes and prairie dogs were considered pests to be eliminated given any opportunity. Spent many an afternoon vaporizing as many prairie dogs as I possibly could, hundreds a day probably in some cases....and I enjoyed each and every trigger squeeze. These are pests thats ultimately cost rancher's money, whether from lost livestock in the case of predators to loss of usable grassland in the case of prairie dogs. I don't feel bad for taking part in reducing their numbers whenever possible, and enjoy the challenge of predator/varmint hunting, and would honestly have to be starving to even consider eating either. While the "I eat what I kill" mantra sounds good, it simply isn't a practical option when varmints are an issue that need to be dealt with before they become an even more severe issue, where posioning and aerial hunting become necessary to effectively control numbers
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Hi Dave K,

Dad always claimed the further a person got away from the farm the more they seem to cherish life and the less they know of the cycle of life. After all, meat comes from Kroger on little syrofoam trays covered with cellophane. There is need none to send a cow to the slaughter house to be shot in the head and have it's carcass hung on meat hooks. That's totally gross man and so cruelly unnecessary.

One calf more or less? What's the big deal? The proud and noble coyote is far more important than the hungry people in our nation and the world. Besides, Kroger has all those nice neat syrofoam trays just waiting to be bought.

You shoot prairie dogs? But they are just so cute! Besides, they are like gophers and so much smarter than we are... Haven't you seen Caddyshack?

In the end it's all a matter of opinion whether emotional or informed. But, it's like my late uncle once told a PETA person... Opinions are like a certain body part, everybody has one. With some people that body part is the appendix and once it bursts the body it effects dies.
 
I have heard a lot of people sell the furs. Anyone here do that and if so are the furs typically only good in the winter or are they useful year round?
 
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