Beretta vs Sig opinions

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I say Beretta - am a HUGE Beretta fan.

I did get on the Sig bandwagon last year - owned 4 last year, and two this year. I only have one right now. I just don't like them as much as my Berettas. In fact, while I have a M11A1 right now.. The only Sig I've liked enough to keep - I still do not like it as much as my Berettas.

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I'll take the SIG over the 92, but that is because the 92s grip is just to big for me. Plus I prefer to drop the hammer SLOWLY when decocking.

Of them all I prefer the Glock.

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In this day and age, it's really hard to find a gun that doesn't perform very well right out of the box. So there are four primary considerations in my book: 1) Reliability; 2) Accuracy; 3) Durability; and 4) Construction, which in turn includes a) weight, b) ergonomics, c) safety, d) sighting and e) disassembly/reassemly.

The Beretta 92 was the second hi-cap gun I ever wanted. The first was the S&W 59, which primarily flunked in both reliability and safety. Dropping it on the muzzle could fire it, and the gun jammed so often that users called it “the jammomatic.“ The Beretta was actually the first of the uber-reliables, and to me the ability to chuck out 16 rounds rapidly and with no malfunctions was mind-boggling. The ink wasn't even dry on the latest Skeeter-Jordan articles debating the relative merits and demerits of revolvers v. autos. Plus, the thing could be taken apart and reassembled with unbelievable ease. The ergonomics weren't the best, but they were okay, especially considering the output.

Now such things don't impress us anymore...at least as much. I've got a Sig P220 .45 And though it's a quality piece, I don't trust it or any other auto to sit in a holster cocked without a safety of some sort engaged. And the double action trigger is so stiff as to be useless in any type of a confrontation. How it got the reputation it has is beyond me. And how the design could be better than a cock and lock design, I'll never know. But after examining the model my father gave me, I know the pistol itself is of superlative quality.

One final note. Although I'm not by any stretch a TAURUS fan, I've been very impressed with the Taurus PT92. I've owned several iterations of the Beretta 92 (not the military model), and I've owned a few Taurus iterations as well. The early Tauri were very reliable, but were lacking in accuracy. And the finish was not up to Beretta's. More recently, though, things have changed. I lost some of my enthusiasm after the frame failures in the military. Later, however, both Beretta and Taurus addressed the issue in their designs. Then the stainless models came out. Not able to afford the Beretta, I picked up a Taurus stainless 92 and was impressed. Not only is it gorgeous, it's uber-reliable and accuracy has improved significantly.

So you might want to check it out. Bottom line, I don't think you can find an auto you won't find to be exceptional as far as function goes.

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Benny,

This is the first time I have read about the alleged quality control problems with SIG
handguns.

As far as your Beretta your buddy's opinion is bravo sierra. My two kids are/have been in the Army so that makes their opinions twice as good has his. (I bet he has been bragging about how much better the .45 is also).

Oops. It has been pointed out to me that there are numerous posts about SIG quality control problems. It appears that I am cheating the devil with my 10 year old SIG P-239.

Frankly upon reviewing the posts over the past few years all of the manufacturers are making poor quality handguns.
 
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This is the first time I have read about the alleged quality control problems with SIG handguns. It has not been a topic on THR.
Do a forum search. Type in "Cohen". You'll have a lot of reading ahead of you.

I'm not saying I agree quality control has gone down, since I really don't know, but it certainly is a topic that has been thoroughly discussed on this forum.
 
Well I stand corrected. I did not realize that SIG's are such a piece of junk. My bad.

I guess I will continue to cheat the devil with my 10 year old SIG P239 and Taurus M-85.

p.s. I also love my Beretta 92 which as we know is a piece of junk with the military.

p.s.s. I'm a slow learner.
 
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Strombo, thanks for your kind words and yes I can be a jerk at times. I'm typically not a jerk as it doesn't come naturally. :)

Both pistols are already well on their way to being worn out but the finish on both of those holds up extremely well under use. I'm particularly impressed with the finish on the SIG that I expected to start wearing off nearly immediately and it hasn't worn a bit.

Yes, Beretta 92 grips are fat but I'm not a huge person and they work fine for me.....I suppose if you had pygmy hands the grip size might be an issue.
 
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This is the first time I have read about the alleged quality control problems with SIG handguns. It has not been a topic on THR.
Do a forum search. Type in "Cohen". You'll have a lot of reading ahead of you.

I'm not saying I agree quality control has gone down, since I really don't know, but it certainly is a topic that has been thoroughly discussed on this forum.

You know in this day & age, you worry about things you have some control over. I don't worry about somebody else's Sigs, I can't account for the way somebody else maintains & uses theirs, I take a lot of the Internet scuttlebutt and tribal knowledge with a grain of salt. I know that the 4 Sigs that I do have serve their intended purpose very well, I have carried 2 and wouldn't hesitate to pack either of the other 2. I like to figure things out for myself & draw my own conclusions. And I took the M11-A1 out to the shooting range yesterday and I am very pleased with the way it works!
 
JDR,

It is nice to hear from someone that likes to live on the edge also.

I love my SIG239 and have been considering buying a double stack SIG. However in the O.P.'s case I would not give up a Beretta solely based on a buddy's opinion. The way I see it variety is the spice of life.





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I have a number of 9mm Beretta handguns, PX4, PX4 compact, PX4 sc, M9A1, 92FS, and Nano. They are excellent guns and function flawlessly. I have never experienced a problem of any kind with the Beretta pistols. I also own a couple of Sigs, P226 Blackwater, P220 Elite Dark, and a 556 swat pistol. The Sigs perform equally as well as the Berettas. So, to me it just depends on which you prefer. As to your buddy's opinion, it is only his opinion and not based on factual data, and should not impact your decision. Choose the gun you like and shoot the best and be happy.
 
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"So I purchased a PX4 Storm compact 40, which I had researched and read good things about how the revolutionary rotating barrel made the 40 handle like a 9 (almost), and how accurate it is, etc."

Regarding the Beretta rotating barrel first introduced in their Cougar model. Earlier this week I fired a Stoegar Cougar, a Sig 228, and a Beretta 92 Compact using the same 9mm fmj target ammo. I was astounded at the less jumpiness experienced with the Cougar with its' rotating barrel.

I can imagine that trait comes in very handy with .40 S&W rounds.
 
Stop listening to your "buddy" and strangers on the internet.

Shoot the gun till it fails. Record the reason for a "failure to go bang" and keep repeating. Only then will you know about YOUR gun.
 
Benny74,

When i buy a carry gun, I clean it prior to shooting it and then put about 500 rounds through it with range ammo. Assuming it doesn't malfunction I put another 200 rounds through it with the SD ammo I intend to use. If it does not malfunction, I shoot it well and it carries comfortably, I carry it. In regards to other opinions, no matter what gun you ask about you're most likely going to get different answers, so if you've purchased a gun from a quality manufacturer, which I'd consider Beretta to be and it proves to be reliable for you, I'd say you're good to go.
 
So your buddy, a Type-A personality know it all Marine thinks your gun is junk and you should buy what he likes? That about sum it up?

Keep what you have if you like it. Or put an HK in your hand. It will make that Sig feel like a brick. I'm not a PX-4 fan, but that's purely an ergonomic thing for me. I currently have 3 Berettas, and have had three others in the past. I'd stake my life on any of them, or my HKs. I've never shot a Sig that impressed me.
 
If the OP likes his Beretta PX4 Storm ,40S&W he should hold on to it. If he decides he wants to trade it for a Sig P320 in .45 ACP then he should do that.

But, what you may have read repeatedly about the "old" W.German Sigs vs. the "new" Exeter Sigs is the same old same old being rehashed mainly by the same old SIG haters - or least haters of Exeter SIGs.

Are there on occasion legitimate problems with a new SIG pistol? Sure as there are from any firearms manufacturer. On the other hand the internet has become the worlds largest complaint department and a recent phenomenon that was not available a few short decades ago to near the degree it is today that tends to make SOME avoid an excellent product simply based on reviewing only anonymous bad reviews. Are a lot of these negative reviews coming from new pistol owners that are alarmed to find "wear" on their new $1000 pistol after shooting it?

I find both the German/W German and Exter classic P series SIG pistols to be outstanding and best of the best combat pistols. I am talking P225/P226/P228/M11-A1 pistols - models that have been made both in Germany and Exter.

It probably much more likely to have frame cracks on their earlier West German P226 pistol than any Exter pistol. A flaw that SIG has long since corrected.
 
The problem with the internet is that there is too much information out there. A person really has to discern the credibility of the source to know if the conclusion is correct. Someone probably has used faulty ammo in almost every brand of handgun and screamed online about a Kaboom and it being a junk gun.
The issue really isn't about Sig reliability or Beretta reliability - both are mainline brands with many satisfied customers and a history of having quality. It is about the reliability of the singular handgun the OP has. There are some brands where a person is basically asking for a jam-o-matic, but that is neither Beretta nor Sig. If it hasn't proven itself to be unreliable and it is accurate, there is no reason to switch. If it had a real problem - FTF, FTE, stovepipe, etc - it would be worth looking into. If the problem wasn't solved with a trip back to the factory, then it would be worth switching.
 
No offense but why are you letting someone else tell you whether your gun is or is not reliable? No one has more experience with it than you. So you tell us, has it been reliable? If you're not confident, keep shooting it until you are or it gives you a reason to doubt it.
 
I bought a PX4 subcompact 9mm a few years back. While I have always been a big Beretta fan and happy 92 owner, it just didn't do it for me.

For me, all of the plastic internal parts were a let down. Granted, that is what almost all of the manufacturers are doing these days. Having said that, I still own it and still take it to the range from time to time. As far as it being reliable, I find your buddies opinion irrelevant. Mine has sent thousands of rounds down range and has never had a single failure of any kind.
 
My p226 is a touch more accurate than my 92fs (in my hands only, haven't compared them with the benefit of a rest). I like the look amd feel of the beretta more. After reading this thread though I'm surprised anyone is fault finding with either. SIG, Beretta, and Glock are the top 3 IMO. CZ, Walther, Steyr, and HK are also top tier and a good case could be made for any of those to userp one of the three I named.

Truly SIG and Beretta are both amongst the finest, with personal preference making the difference.
 
I have a couple Beretta's, being completely honest I'm not impressed with either of them including the Nano. I realize the little 21A Bobcat is a small pocket gun but it's been a total disappointment. These are the only Beretta's I've ever owned and most likely will be the last.
I own 5 Sigs and to me they are the best semi auto handguns that I own.
I think it's pretty safe to say that I'll give my future business to Sig (and Glock) when I want another semi auto handgun.
 
Decision

Thanks for all the input and thoughts. If anyone cares to hear the decision keep reading. I'm writing it to offer thought to anyone who may be considering these guns. I made the trade for the full-size P320 45. Why? Ultimately the Beretta compact Storm is bulky and hard to conceal, as I do not have a large frame and live in hot weather environment. Tho it handled recoil well even in the 40, I'd rather have quicker follow-up shots. I like the rotating barrel, but the guide rod assembly is a piece of plastic that looks like a flimsy toy to me- not what I expect from Italian craftsmanship.
The Sig is more like the Glock I'm used to shooting, both the trigger and controls. As I plan to rotate these for EDC, I don't want to have to switch mental gears to DA/SA and safety (yes I know I could make it a Type G). I'm concerned that if my finger gets used to the heavy DA pull, under pressure I could squeeze off a round from the Glock without realizing it.
Did my buddy's opinion influence me? He made me think more about it- he's trained with some of the top defensive instructors. So again, thanks all for the input. Hope maybe this will help someone else out there some time.
 
after learning more of the sig P320.. i take back my position, i think its a great idea.. the frame is just a small stamped out component that has the rails and houses the trigger components.. then you add a grip to it, whether you want a full size, compact, rail, different colors.. you can swap out $40 grips and change the sig to an entirely different role or caliber, its completely modular
 
Benny74

Hope the SIG P320 works out okay for you and let us know how things go at your first range session with the new gun.
 
Thanks for all the input and thoughts. If anyone cares to hear the decision keep reading. I'm writing it to offer thought to anyone who may be considering these guns. I made the trade for the full-size P320 45. Why? Ultimately the Beretta compact Storm is bulky and hard to conceal, as I do not have a large frame and live in hot weather environment. Tho it handled recoil well even in the 40, I'd rather have quicker follow-up shots. I like the rotating barrel, but the guide rod assembly is a piece of plastic that looks like a flimsy toy to me- not what I expect from Italian craftsmanship.
The Sig is more like the Glock I'm used to shooting, both the trigger and controls. As I plan to rotate these for EDC, I don't want to have to switch mental gears to DA/SA and safety (yes I know I could make it a Type G). I'm concerned that if my finger gets used to the heavy DA pull, under pressure I could squeeze off a round from the Glock without realizing it.
Did my buddy's opinion influence me? He made me think more about it- he's trained with some of the top defensive instructors. So again, thanks all for the input. Hope maybe this will help someone else out there some time.
That's how you make a decision. Get the info, but go with what feels right to you. I have a friend who shoots and carries a little j-frame .38 special. It is the least tacti-cool gun you have ever seen, but he has run thousands of rounds through it, and loves it, and can shoot it faster, and more accurately than most guys who carry a modern auto pistol.

I have a full sized PX-4, and do carry it sometimes, mostly in the winter. It is kinda bulky, as is the compact. If you go to the sub-compact, you lose the rotating barrel. I am convinced that really does reduce felt recoil.

Hope you like your Sig!
 
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