Berry's 9mm HHP

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Oh man, I just worked up some loads with Silhouette. And CFE Pistol.

I just ran out of Autocomp. But I do have some Longshot. I'll work up some loads with Longshot and compare all three.

Thanks for posting your results AoG. :)
 
kcofohio said:
....Thanks for posting your results AoG. :)
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My pleasure, kc ;)

My first round of tests of the new Berry's HHP for 9mm was with Silhouette, but IMO ~ it wasn't ideal.
For this test using NAMMO published data, VV-N340 was chosen based on velocity numbers from their manual.
As I don't have a chrono, the charge band should cover the required 1125 fps that Berry's specified for expansion performance.

20 yards (rest) with a fairly-new carbine using iron sights recently installed.

TestHHP_VVn340.jpg (click on image to expand) 5.0 grains @ 1.10" OAL.

All loads cycled both the pistol (G-19) & carbine (S2K-G2) used for this session.
Groups progressively tightened when approaching the upper charge.
Published MAX was 5.1 gr. as outlined.

NOTE: Information provided was safe for the firearms mentioned.
Please use CAUTION, as a detailed work-up for your needs using safe loading practices is recommended.

(Comments, suggestions and feedback are always welcomed) :D
 
Thanks AoG! I have never tried N340 before. Looks good.

So I now have Silhouette, CFE Pistol, Longshot, and HS-6 in work up loads. With warm weather most of this week, I'm hoping to get out for some chrono results.
 
Hey kc,
I'm curious to see the chrono #'s for the powders you listed, especially the Silhouette work-up. It would be interesting to find out if Silhouette can power the Berry's 124gr HHP's to 1125 fps., without exceeding +P parameters.

I'll be watchin' :what:
 
Thanks for sending me some to try ArtofGolf.

I have some loaded with 5.0gr WSF, 5.0gr BE86 and 5.0 CFE-Pistol in 9mm.
I will shoot a couple over the chrono and then some for a group and post the results.

PS: still need to try those ZEROs I got from you as well.
Thanks for the PIFs.:)
 
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So I got out to the range today. Beautiful weather, 73' and sunny. That was about as good as it got.

Went to setup the chrono and found the horizonal clamp for the tripod had came out and lost the nut. To keep the chrono from tilting forward, I had to mount it at a crazy compound angle. Right there I should have aborted the test. But no!! I had to get some data, right or wrong (mainly wrong).

Warning: The following data is not a established fact!

All cartridges were at 1.040" COAL.

Longshot loads were 5.4-5.7gr. with the highest round recorded being 1079 fps.
HS-6 loads were 6.3-6.7 gr. with the highest round recorded being 1130 fps.
Sihouette loads were 5.3-5.7 gr. with the highest round recorded being 1153 fps.
CFE Pistol loads were 4.7-5.1 gr., which were too low at the get-go.

Since I didn't have the chrono level to the shots, the velocities are not true numbers. But it does give me a point to work from.

I'm going to pull the remaining bullets and work with HS-6 and Silhouette. If the weather holds out a bit longer, I hope I can post some better results. (I did find the nut and got the tripod back into commission.)
 
Range day! Who-hoo!:D

Finally, I've had the loads done for 5 days, dr. appts. other bothers. Weather was great for the last 3 days, UN-seasonably warm for central Wi this time of year.

BUT the results were dismal. I'm going to cut to the chase, just post the pictures of expanded bullets in order of the velocity they were fired at. My take on them is they're way too fragile for the velocities I was running. Which is at the low end of what Berry's recommended. Disintegration was typical star burst shrapnel in the expansion media.

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This was fired by my CZ 75B, 5.0 grains of power pistol, all loads was with PP. Velocity was 1108 fps. It took a lot of digging to find all the fragments, most of them when weighed resulted in 124 grains.

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5.7 PP yielded 1203 fps for the above fragments.

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This shows penetration and expansion cavity of the above 1203 fps and where the main chunk or base of the bullet came to rest. 3 - 4 inches of penetration was all any of them went.

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So here we see what happens when we go to 357 sig velocities, 1403 pushed by-------well I won't list the powder charge as it's above max in the Hornady book for their XTP bullet. If you're really mad at the bad guy, want him to spend a long time in surgery,(if he makes it there) while the surgeon tries to get the chunks of bullet out, then shoot him with one of these.

Accuracy was terrible with the CZ. Best group @ 25 yards was around 4" while being shot over the CED chrono. My Glock with the after market barrel was slightly better, then the over max shot a nice tight group. I can scan the targets if any bodies interested.
 
snuffy said:
...BUT the results were dismal. I'm going to cut to the chase, just post the pictures of expanded bullets in order of the velocity they were fired at....
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Thanks for the wax media tests, Snuffy :D The pics are excellent ~ it seems that the HHP is not all it's cracked-up to be. I really appreciate your time & efforts on this. :cool:
 
I had a curious thought. Is it possible to determine where the petals break loose as they pass through an object? I know there are temporary and permanent cavities, but I'm not sure if they show things like that.
 
Thanks for the wax media tests, Snuffy The pics are excellent ~ it seems that the HHP is not all it's cracked-up to be. I really appreciate your time & efforts on this.
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You are most welcome Art. When I didn't see any comments, I thought why do I bother!? That's a lot of work, not the shooting, if I ever think shooting is work, I will make an appointment to see a shrink!:uhoh: Now I have to start the laborious process of melting and recasting the wax into new mailing tubes.

I also ran 3 bullets for .223 that are specifically made for deer or other deer sized animals. I'll start a new thread on those. The Hornady 55 gr. GMX, the 65 Sierra game king, and the 62 gr. Barnes.

What I expected to see come out of the wax was a copy of a gold dot.
 
I had a curious thought. Is it possible to determine where the petals break loose as they pass through an object? I know there are temporary and permanent cavities, but I'm not sure if they show things like that.
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It's pretty clear to me that the copper plating is not thick enough to allow the petals to fold back upon the base of the bullet without tearing off. Some may say it's NOT a failure because it DID expand. I say it failed because it fragmented and failed to penetrate.

but I'm not sure if they show things like that.
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Who's THEY? The only way I know of would be an ultra slow motion X-ray of a bullet expanding in some media. Fat chance of that ever happening.
 
snuffy said:
You are most welcome Art. ...What I expected to see come out of the wax was a copy of a gold dot.
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Sometimes you don't see comments right away; folks workin' or family stuff.
Anyway, I was disappointed with no mushroom. I remember Mike Fundaro mentioned that if you run 'em too fast they will fragment.
Kinda surprised with the round chrono'd @ 1108 fps, as that's close to the recommended 1125 performance rating from Berry's. :confused:
Hmmm... think the plating is too thin...maybe. :what:
 
Thanks, Snuffy. :cool: I've been busy with other duties, just got back on here since last week. You saved me from buying some, and I have no way to test.
 
I loaded up a sample I got from a PIF (thanks AOG) with 5gr of WSF in 9mm and they seemed to shoot well accuracy wise.
 
Dudedog said:
... in 9mm and they seemed to shoot well accuracy wise.
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Yeah, they perform well for target usage, but I would look elsewhere for SD purposes. Snuffy's test in the wax media were all fragments - not what we expected from the HHP :scrutiny:

sevt_chevelle said:
Has anyone tried the 40 or 45 versions yet?
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It would be interesting to compare the tests of the other available versions......
 
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