Best Bear Caliber

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Which would be a better choice for bear hunting (black bear or grizzly most likely) out of the following firearms: a Marlin 30-30 (20 inch barrel) or a Ruger M77 Compact 7mm-08 (with 16 inch bbl), or a Remington 870 12ga with slugs. I was just wondering about this because I am moving and there is a chance that bear may be there. If neither of these would be suitable, what caliber would you choose for this?
 
I live pretty deep in the Ozarks and have had bear in my backyard. For normal hiking or riding, I usually carry a .22 pistol, or sometimes a .45 -- but don't consider black bears a threat.
 
I live in Central British Columbia, Canada and have had a few bear encounters. I would seriously not advise shooting at a bear with a .22. Even with a perfectly placed shot... i have seen a black bear take a 7mm Rem. Mag. round through the chest (hit lung and heart). It still ran about 100'.

For defense or close range I would go with a 12ga with either slugs or 000 buck. Otherwise either the 30-30 or the 7mm-08 sound good. I would personally go a bit bigger say 30-06 or .300 Win. Mag. (grizzly take a bit more.)
 
Defense or hunting? I must say that I honestly see no reason what so ever for Bear hunting. That aside any of your choices should work for hunting Black bear. Smaller than what most people would want probably, but would work. Grizzly's are a different animal but, alot of Alaskan guides use hardcast 12 ga. slugs for defense.
 
any of those are fine
which could you shoot quikest and most accurately in a panic?
 
I would personally go a bit bigger say
50-90 sharps!

while the rounds listed will work none would be decisive even with great shot placement other than brain hits. remember big critters big bores!
 
Marlin 1895 with 45/70

Yes. Any of the ones listed would do fine for black bear, but if you're considering grizzly I'd get a 45/70. If it's defense only than the 12ga slugs should work just fine.
 
i have seen a black bear take a 7mm Rem. Mag. round through the chest (hit lung and heart). It still ran about 100'.

For defense or close range I would go with a 12ga with either slugs or 000 buck. Otherwise either the 30-30 or the 7mm-08 sound good.

If a 7mm magnum won't stop the bear, how is a 7mm-08 going to do it? I was under the impression that the magnum cartridge had a higher velocity in a given grain weight.

As to the OP's question, I'd personally go with a 12 gauge packed with slugs.
 
I live in Central British Columbia, Canada and have had a few bear encounters. I would seriously not advise shooting at a bear with a .22.
I live in Arkansas, where we have only Black bears. I carry a .22 because Black bears are no real threat to humans -- we have never had a fatal bear attack in this state. I have, therefore, no need to shoot a bear (except during hunting season, when I carry a .30-06.)
 
IF Grizzly is on the list of possibles... I'd want something that packs some serious wallop... 300 Mag or better... 8mm Rem Mag, .338 Win Mag... etc...
 
How about finding a knowledgeable guide to hunt what you're after and asking their recommendation? There's a BIG difference between a black and a grizzly. If I see a black walking up my road, I pull over and take pictures of him.
 
If a 7mm magnum won't stop the bear, how is a 7mm-08 going to do it? I was under the impression that the magnum cartridge had a higher velocity in a given grain weight.

What I was saying is that it did not drop dead. The bear experience I've had is that you can blow half their face off and they still keep coming for a while (that was with a 12ga) - 7mm will stop a bear; just not right away, it may take more than one shot. 7mm-08 is not a great bear round but it is better than some.

I carry a .22 because Black bears are no real threat to humans

While I’m glad that that may be the case where you live in some parts of the world some people don't understand what wildlife is. I live in an area with a high tourist population and some people try to feed them. Thus the bear gets used to humans, and then the tourists leave and the bear tries to break into local houses and has to be shot.
 
I live in an area with a high tourist population and some people try to feed them. Thus the bear gets used to humans, and then the tourists leave and the bear tries to break into local houses and has to be shot.

Boy does THAT sound familiar. Was just at a friend's house where, near the end of last season, a bear climbed a tree to his deck, managed to operate the latch on the french doors (since when did bears start using doorknobs?), went into the pantry, and cleaned out the sugar and brown sugar before they came home and he went running. For the rest of the season, they could look out the window and see him up their hill looking longingly at their house waiting for them to leave again.

Fortunately, most of them, even used to humans, are timid enough to go running at the sound of a loud noise, so a .22 might work. I personally keep something a little bigger handy, but as I mentioned, blacks aren't NEARLY the threat of a grizzly.

Not the bear in question, but one walking up the sideway a few blocks from my house.
bear.jpg
 
Strictly for s/d get a 12ga. pump and load it with slugs. Forget buckshot. It's only effective at very short ranges depending on your choke and how it patterns.
 
That 30/30 will do, as will the 7mm-08, as will the 12ga. Personally, I'd prefer the 30/30 of all three.
 
Black bears and grizzly bears are two completely different animals. 7mm-08 would be a nice minimum for black bears and certain slugs from your 12 will work nice. Grizzlies are much larger and are extremely dangerous when provoked. I wouldn't shoot at one with anything less than a .30-06 with heavy-duty bullets, .300 Win Mag on up is better.
 
Stop and think how you see this potential self defense scenario with a grizzly panning out. What are you going to do, carry your 45-70 around with you all the time? If there is really a grizzly coming near your home then that needs to be dealt with by professionals. if he isn't coming near your home then stay away from his. If you just want something to defend yourself from so you can ponder the best gun..... fear the zombies! A good zombie gun is worth its weight in gold. Are you ready when they come?
 
Where are you moving? There are about 1,000 threads on this topic but there's a big difference in regional bears and a big difference between hunting and defending against one. There's also a big difference between moving out to the bush up here and moving to a state where there are a handful of griz off in a park somewhere.

What are you going to do, carry your 45-70 around with you all the time?

If you're really living in bear country, you should carry that or something equivalent, yes.
 
Grizzly bears are relatively rare in number. They once existed throughout the entire western half of the United States.
Now there is less of them total than there is people in one small city.

So I wouldn't really recommend hunting them. Having many such big predators actualy promotes a culture of carrying arms and helps RKBA. That it is a predator which is usualy easily avoided, yet has such a fearsome reputation makes it the perfect animal for the job.
I would rather be in the woods with such an animal than be stalked by a stealthy ambush predator such as a large Cougar.
Problems with the bear can be avoided through common sense, and if you do need to defend yourself you can react quickly. Problems with the cat are at the cat's discretion, and you probably won't see it coming.

If you have to defend yourself, the best caliber is a powerful one that you have with you. You don't get to plan defensive encounters, and by the time you have such an accidental encounter, you would have long tired of routinely carrying a cumbersome long arm with you during daily activities easier to do with two hands free.
So for hunting you want a powerful rifle for use at long range. For defense though you want what you will have on you when you finaly need it after months or years of never having an encounter.

I live in an area with a high tourist population and some people try to feed them. Thus the bear gets used to humans, and then the tourists leave and the bear tries to break into local houses and has to be shot.
Yeah many people are stupid that way. They want to save and support the rescue of animals, yet through human imprinting on the animal cause it to have conflicts with humans or not be afraid of humans leading to its death.
It happens with many types of animals. Both prey and predatory species. If you really care about an animal you want it as afraid of human beings as possible. Doing anything that causes it to either expect or depend on people for food, like with the bears and other predators, or causes it to trust humans like with many other animals, is a good way to cause its death.

It reminds me of people befriending whales and dolphins for example. I remember thinking how that was more likely to cause thier deaths when they travel into areas where people actualy kill them, than if the well meaning individuals had made them terrified of people instead.
The same goes for all animals. If you really want it to have a good chance of survival you want it to think human beings are the meaniest deadliest thing that ever walked the planet.
Animals can tell people they don't know apart as well as you can tell an animal of one species apart you don't know. Species learn to differentiate between members of thier own species, not others.
They don't understand hunting seasons, that people who they can learn to trust that merely watch them or point cameras at them during some months will suddenly be killing them in others.

That applies to everything, even birds you feed in your backyard. That same trust you cause the bird to have for humans is what gets it shot with a bb gun or slingshot by some kid in the next backyard, instead of it taking evasive action at the sight of them.

So the friendliest thing you can do for an animal is to use less lethal force on it and make sure it is absolutely terrified of people. Some rubber buckshot or bear spray at the bear foraging outside your home would be a good start (from the safety of indoors with lethal force also at the ready). :neener:
Of course those who 'think' they are animal lovers would think you were cruel, and might just encourage charges to be pressed against you for harming an animal not threatening your life if you did so. It makes no sense in reality, but does in thier own mind.
Can you imagine how tough it would be to bag a deer during hunting season if people were chasing them down with something like airsoft or paintballs the rest of the year? Those would be some of the most skittish and hard to shoot deer you had ever hunted.
The same applies to all animals.

Here is a bear that had about the nicest behavioral redirection possible, and was in need of shooting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLsM2ijRao
They should have sprayed it much sooner.
That might save its life in the future if it now fears people and associates them with a painful unenjoyable experience. It was obviously accustomed to people and a clear danger because of that.
Only some serious pain is going to make it realize hours of foraging for food in the wilderness is a smarter choice than getting the same amount of food in a couple minutes from garbage or human feeders.
 
around here for black bear people use mostely .44 magnum rifles, 12guage with slugs if your huntign with dogs or 000 if you arent either work , or like a .45-70

i have seen 3 500+lbs black bear dropped with a .44magnum 2 were the ruger carbines and the other was a winchest 94ae lever
 
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