Best combat revolver?

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I'd go with a 4" barreled S&W 686
or GP100
or S&W 625
or.....any of at least a few dozen solid performers that are currently in production.

I served in combat, Iraq 2005, and NO, I wouldn't want a revolver for military duty.
for combat in domestic, personal defense....revolvers are great!
 
Handguns are weapons of last resort on the battlefield.
Dragoons carried by Calvary were fine weapons in their day.
An "ideal" combat revolver would be light, small size and powerful of cartridge.
Smith & Wesson 329PD .44 Mag/.44SW 4" Airlite HIVIZ
Or this weapon converted into a 2" barrel, laser equipped "belly" gun
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This is my humble opinion on the subject
 
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The best combat revolver when I was in uniform was a S&W Chiefs Special you could carry unobtrusively in a BDU or field jacket pocket.
Whether you were authorized too carry it, or not.

Truth be told, that wouldn't be a real bad choice for the best combat revolver today either I betcha!

If you think it is a 54 oz, red-dot sighted, 8-shot .357?
You been playing too many video games, and never been in the military!

rc
 
Lefteyedom,

There is no good revolver answer for deployed forces, but your choice is definitely wrong: not a standard military caliber, heavily recoiling cartridge not set up for clip loading, in a lightweight platform. You are a no-go for this exercise. Your 2nd option is even worse.

John
 
John, most of your analysis is based on the assumption that a soldier is going to need more than six rounds, RIGHT NOW, or that a revolver is LIKELY to fail. In the historic last ditch defenses that soldiers have gone for their handgun (rifle jammed, out of ammo, quarters so close the rifle can't be employed, etc), I have a gut feeling that more fights are ended in uner six rounds than those that would require a prolonged pistol-against-other-ememy-weapons fight. I'm no combat expert, but I have talked to lots of Nam vets, and a few WWII vets that actually did use a handgun in those circumstances, and, in addition to winning the fight and being able to tell the stories, they ALL emptied the gun and had ample time to reload, after moving, fixing the problem (jams, finding another rifle or ammo, or running away). Sure, you COULD end up in a situation where you now need a semi auto and 5 magazines, but as stated, history has pretty much made that a myth more times than not (say 9 out of 10 pistol battles are ended within 6 rounds, even in the sandboxes). Some GI's are already loaded down, and might only pack a lightweight pistol with limited pistol ammo in addition to their issue load, give the opportunity. And, I agree, to have it and not use it is better than not having it, and that would also apply to a revolver and only six rounds. As far as revolver failure, I think a revolver would need to be kept no cleaner than an M16. Sand, rust, or dust will hang them up just as fast.
 
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Sharps,

While quick reloading is a must, I must not be communicating well. Military service requires that arms be frequently loaded and unloaded. Additionally, carry methods- unless actually leaving on combat ops- always require an empty chamber. As I explained, this means the revolver shooter would meet an inside the wire threat- which I already described as unfortunately common here- with an empty weapon. And revolvers are much slower to load.

John
 
Sharps, I have never been in combat myself, but both of my grandfathers have. If a soldier is in combat, chances are he is dealing with more than one enemy combatant, so it is hard for me to imagine that 6 rounds will not finish the fight in 99% of situations where a handgun is used. To be honest, I would not expect 15 rounds of 9mm from an M9 to not be enough. That is what John is saying. While you may neutralize one enemy within the first 6 shots, that is far from the end of combat, a fast and efficient reload will be needed.

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The Marine Corps just ordered 22million dollars worth of 1911's from Colt. So obviously there are those in decision making positions who believe that fewer .45's are better than a bunch of 9mm's. Not to mention that special forces units have been using .45's for years. So the difference in capacity between a 6-shot N-frame and a 7-shot 1911 is pretty moot. If one practices reloading, as one should with any platform, then reload speed is likewise a non-issue. But also brings us to the fact that a 1911 without a magazine is a single shot. Whereas the revolver has no critical parts to lose and even if using moon clips it will still function as a repeater without them. Fragility??? That's a joke. I've been shooting revolvers since buying my first at age 12. I shoot 10-20,000rds a year through a collection numbering three dozen sixguns. I live and breathe them daily. I've only ever had two break and neither belonged to me. One was a defective transfer bar in an Abilene .357. The other the hand spring in a high mileage Colt Frontier Scout .22LR. Dirt??? I've got a 49yr old Single Six that has at least 30,000rds through it in the 12yrs I've owned it. I clean it rarely, carry it all the time, take it wherever I go. It has never malfunctioned, misfired, jammed or failed to do what I ask it to. Even though it goes thousands of rounds without cleaning. Same story for the rest, although the Single Six has the most mileage. At most, DA's require cleaning under the extractor star for reliable function. I haven't met a 1911 that did not require regular cleaning and greasing.

How much do GI's use pistols anyway? Isn't pistol use restricted to officers???
 
I don't know what the best combat revolver will be, but I do know that the last one actually issued to a military unit was a stainless .357.
 
Most revolvers can be knocked out of time with a blow that would only scuff the finish on an autoloader. That's fragility. My close friend Byron Quick, a moderator here until his death, would have suffered a serious eye injury from an out of time N frame if he hadn't been wearing eye pro. The revolver appeared to be in about 97% condition.

Sidearm carry is common in some specialties. About half of them are the ones likely to need a backup in a hurry.

"Reload speed is a non-issue"? No, that's demonstrably incorrect. It would only be correct if highly skilled revolver shooters could load as quickly as highly skilled autoloader shooters. They can't.

John
 
That's fragility.
Prove it. I have never, in all my years of shooting, buying guns and studying heard of "knocking" a revolver out of time. Nor have I shot one loose. There is an underlying reason for you to believe all this stuff that is not true and I would like to know what it is.


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How much do GI's use pistols anyway?
 
Prove it? Seriously? Why would I damage a working revolver and risk injury because some people's fantasies are 137 years out of date?

1 last time: sidearms are common. Carry will almost always be with a loaded mag and empty chamber, or with a totally empty weapon. The revolver cannot be carried with a loaded mag, so must then always be carried empty. Instead of just racking the slide, your hypothetical soldier must do a complete load. Unless of course all your fantasy troops just always trot around with fully loaded sidearms, being the expert pistoleros I'm certain they are, under brilliant commanders who all understand the value of troops "rolling hot" all the time. :rolleyes:
 
Okay, since Jerry Miculek can reload super fast, of COURSE anyone can load as fast as he can, just like ANYONE can run 4.5 minute miles since the top athletes can. If I call my pistol "Thunderzap" will you believe it shoots lightning? Jesus.

I just followed the IDPA link, and looked at two matches at random. I picked the autoloading category with the most handicaps (CDP- 8 rounds, .45 ACP) versus the revolver category with the most advantages (ESR, clips). In both, the top CDP shooter was 50% faster than the top ESR shooter.

Value your revolvers for their craftsmanship. Treasure them as fine carry or hunting pieces of "working history". But be clear that your fantasies are very different than reality- that's why they're fantasies.

John
 
One quick word on speed loading revolvers vs semi-autos.

Jerry is very fast on the reload. In fact, for the sake of this argument, let's allow he can reload a 625 revolver faster than Travis Tomasie can reload his P-14

Now, let's see who can fire 18 rds on target faster.........
 
Fragile revolver

I did see a Alloy Colt revolver fall on a cement floor and go out of time.
Since Colt stopped making such firearms its a almost useless fact. I broke a hammer spur off a Colt Python when it had a hard knock against a metal object. Never had a problem with a S&W.
I have dropped my alloy S&W 642/M-38 numerous times without issue.
 
You say this:
"On the other side of the equation, should you run out of ammo and the threat is close, a big 'ole Ruger to the side of the head might help your attacker(s) see the light."
And now say that revolvers are fragile and subject to getting knocked out of time easily.

Both true statements. The proper way to strike with a revolver is with the butt. Revolvers can especially get knocked out of time if the cylinder is struck in a sideways direction. Striking with the muzzle in any direction except a straight jab may result in a bent barrel.

The warning about revolvers getting out of time I heard from a firearms trainer. Since I have seen the results of an out of time revolver that gave no indication of abuse, and I have seen the many ways military arms tend to suffer knocks, the combination seems like a recipe for disaster.

<extended description of my personal habits redacted. But S&W revolvers are STILL beautiful and Colts are ugly.>
John
 
I have seen a lot of out of time revolvers, most of them from being dropped from a holster according to the customer.

Thats all I can contribute, my personal revolvers have been very well taken care of so I have no experiance there.

But it seems obvious, based on how the gun works that it would not take much.
 
Well, when you put the load/reload piece + the abuse that military arms tend to experience, it just seems a bad combination. Another potential challenge for revolver use in deployed environments is dust. If you're using clips, most of the rounds are exposed. With something like an M9 magazine, only the top round is partially exposed to the elements, when it's not in the weapon.

If a revolver were dictated somehow, though, your suggestion of 4" N frame in .45 ACP would be about as good as could be found, IMO. I know the Schofield was improved to allow one-hand to break it open. That's the reason I suggested it would be what I would choose if I had to have a wheel gun in a combat zone. (I have no problem using a single-action for defense, incidentally- until it's time to reload. That's an issue.) A 4" N frame in an alloy should be strong enough, and the .45 ACP isn't horribly recoiling, so the lighter weight wouldn't be an issue. Additionally, the .45 ACP is the best cartridge choice because it's still in the military inventory.

So: a 4" Scandium N frame, with fiber optic front sight, in .45 ACP. Not what I'd want as a deployed soldier, but a solid, versatile choice for nearly everyone else. Since I've frequently carried a 4" N frame concealed, it would fit easily into my life, too. :)

John
 
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