Best SHOTGUN EVER!

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Dimis said:
One major way to determine that the Saigas are not the best available is the fact that Will Hayden from Red Jacket thinks its the best thing since reduced recoil loads
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Huh? What does that mean? Will's reputation in the tactical weapons business is unparalleled--He is on record as stating that he believes the Saiga-12 is the best choice for the 'tactical realm' (just as Gabe Suarez is as well). Not sure what your issue is with him but your entitled to your opinion--I would just preface my statement with such.

I own both tactical pumps as well as a Saiga and I would go to my Saiga-12 in a tactical situation absent a second thought for its 'tactical' merits (if I had to use my 500, I would in no way feel insecure about it). I am on record as stating that these are my opinions, nothing more, nothing less.

-Cheers
 
Sorry - the best shotgun I have ever used is a cheapo Ted Williams from Sears and Roebuck, which I believe was a contract gun made by Winchester. I can run that pump as fast as just about any semi-automatic. It has a poly choke on the end of the barrel which makes it a perfect bird gun; when the poly choke is placed on I.C. it can throw foster slugs very accurately out to 100-125 yards. The gun is balanced quite well and can be shouldered very fast and pointed accurately. I have shot Brownings, Remingtons, Stoegers, Benellis, Mossbergs and by far my favorite is my Ted Williams.
 
Mr. T said:
Sorry - the best shotgun I have ever used is a cheapo Ted Williams from Sears and Roebuck, which I believe was a contract gun made by Winchester. I can run that pump as fast as just about any semi-automatic. It has a poly choke on the end of the barrel which makes it a perfect bird gun; when the poly choke is placed on I.C. it can throw foster slugs very accurately out to 100-125 yards. The gun is balanced quite well and can be shouldered very fast and pointed accurately. I have shot Brownings, Remingtons, Stoegers, Benellis, Mossbergs and by far my favorite is my Ted Williams.
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Used to have one when I was a youngster and loved it--Got rid of it a few years back (passed on to a family member) and regret it to this day!
 
saiga-12 and hunting

I checked here in VA and other close by states and I just didnt see anything in the regs about there being a season for upland game and waterfowl hunting in local shopping malls. Did I miss something or is there a season so that mall ninjas with their tacticool Saiga-12s and pants with too many pockets can hunt fowl in shopping malls? Their mommies wouldnt want them catching a cold out in the elements. Watch out KFC! Give me a break best shotgun.

Skeet or Sporting Clays w/ a Saiga 12 only as a joke. I have put a couple hundred rounds through a Saigas and sorry its not a shotgun I want for HD, clays or in tactical situation ever in the real world based on my experience.
Now on my Playstation 3 will you never know.
 
vaherder said:
I have put a couple hundred rounds through a Saigas and sorry its not a shotgun I want for HD...or in tactical situation ever in the real world based on my experience...
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Yeah--You're right, it makes a TERRIBLE HD gun--What the heck were all of those Saiga idiots thinking--That joke for HD...??? Thanks for that astute observation!:eek:

-Cheers
 
If this thread was any more "high road", it would be called the Underground.

Lighten up. Sheesh.
 
One other observation I have with regard to HD is when using 00Buck what advantage does the Saiga have over your typical pump shotgun? By that I mean if you hit what you are aiming at, theoretically even a single shot is going to dump your target in a heap that they won't likely be getting up from unless they're wearing body armor or something. My point is just about any shotgun is a lethal HD gun. If you're just concerned about zombie hunting/spray and pray shooting then I would imagine that the Saiga might have a mild advantage, but I think most people here would agree that well aimed shots using 00 buck would be absolutely lethal at HD ranges. I think also that most would say that there are better guns for hunting rather than the Saiga; not that you couldn't hunt with the Saiga, just that there are better guns for it. The military uses Mossbergs for their standard shotgun from breaching to room clearing...I think that speaks volumes against the Saiga as being the "it" gun for shotgunning. JMHO
 
Mr. T said:
One other observation I have with regard to HD is when using 00Buck what advantage does the Saiga have over your typical pump shotgun? By that I mean if you hit what you are aiming at, theoretically even a single shot is going to dump your target in a heap that they won't likely be getting up from unless they're wearing body armor or something. My point is just about any shotgun is a lethal HD gun. If you're just concerned about zombie hunting/spray and pray shooting then I would imagine that the Saiga might have a mild advantage, but I think most people here would agree that well aimed shots using 00 buck would be absolutely lethal at HD ranges. I think also that most would say that there are better guns for hunting rather than the Saiga; not that you couldn't hunt with the Saiga, just that there are better guns for it. The military uses Mossbergs for their standard shotgun from breaching to room clearing...I think that speaks volumes against the Saiga as being the "it" gun for shotgunning. JMHO
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I think you're bringing up the seemingly perpetual and age-old debate of 'semi vs. pump' much like the age-old argument of 'semi vs. revolver'. IMHO, there are definite merits to both sides in both categories.

-Cheers
 
Turkey or Goose busters. I'd like to see a Saiga that can do even that, let alone be an effective bird swinger. No qualms here about using either of the above in a home defense situation.
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Hell, I keep a 20 gauge coach gun under my bed. I figure if I can routinely shoot 50 percent on DOVES with it, a home intruder ain't got much chance. I don't need no stinkin' tacticool. that little coach gun is FAST on target. Fit and balance and light weight are probably the reasons.

Sorry - the best shotgun I have ever used is a cheapo Ted Williams from Sears and Roebuck, which I believe was a contract gun made by Winchester. I can run that pump as fast as just about any semi-automatic. It has a poly choke on the end of the barrel which makes it a perfect bird gun; when the poly choke is placed on I.C. it can throw foster slugs very accurately out to 100-125 yards. The gun is balanced quite well and can be shouldered very fast and pointed accurately. I have shot Brownings, Remingtons, Stoegers, Benellis, Mossbergs and by far my favorite is my Ted Williams.
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I had one of those, but it was a "Revelation 310" with a C Lect choke, Mossberg 500 sold through Western Auto. BUT, I put a 500 barrel with a Mossberg accuchoke system on it, screw in chokes, when steel shot laws got passed. I didn't figure that adjustable choke gismo would last one round of steel shot.

Guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do. :D

All in all, I'd rather own what I've got than limit myself to one gun of any kinds, let alone a Saiga. I don't, nor will I ever shoot 3 gun games. Don't need such crap for home defense. Worthless for hunting, so a Saiga would be a worthless shotgun to me. My next shotgun, in a few years, hopefully, will be a decent O/U, perhaps a Browning, but I'll have to do the shopping when I get the money. It'll probably be a 20 gauge as it'll be for doves and upland stuff, not ducks or geese. I just don't have a O/U yet and kinda want one. I goose hunt quite a bit and a Browning BPS10 would be nice, but my H&R patterns SO well, but who knows, I might get a BPS 10. I really prefer 10 to 12 for snows on the Texas coast. 10s seem to pattern better.
 
I think the Saiga, suitably upgraded of course, is a very good platform for tactical shooting, but suffers somewhat because of its un-shotgun-like handling and adapted configuration.

Beyond the advantages that detachable magazines bring to the table I don't them anything special otherwise.
 
but suffers somewhat because of its un-shotgun-like handling and adapted configuration.
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why? To say it suffers because its different from what you are used to, if thats what you are saying, doesnt make sense. It would be your particular skill set that suffers from being new to the saiga platform.
 
why? To say it suffers because its different from what you are used to, if thats what you are saying, doesnt make sense. It would be your particular skill set that suffers from being new to the saiga platform.
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If it feels and runs like a carbine then it might as well be one IMO.
 
why? To say it suffers because its different from what you are used to, if thats what you are saying, doesnt make sense. It would be your particular skill set that suffers from being new to the saiga platform.
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This site explains proper FIT better than I can. Pay attention to the first paragraph for how important FIT is to a serious shotgunner. Shotguns are not fit as rifles, let alone assault rifles, are. The diagram doesn't show cast, a very important stock dimension to ME as I shoot lefty and most stocks are either neutral (I can live with that) or worse, cast for right handers.

http://www.shotgunlife.com/Shotguns/shotgun-fit.html
 
Originally Posted by oneounceload View Post
((partial quote from Mike1234567)) But, in reality, it can't
Yes, it can to some degree. But I conceded that it isn't the "be all, end all" and isn't the best for everything. Why did you even bother to argue that point with what I wrote?
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Because it not only isn't the best for everything, it isn't the best for anything
 
oneounceload said:
Because it not only isn't the best for everything, it isn't the best for anything
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You left out IMO as your opinion is far short of categorical (as is mine or anyone else s). I maintain that the Saiga is the best solution for 'tactical' situations but it's entirely debatable when applied in other environments.

-Cheers
 
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I'll readily concede that I don't have much knowlege about proper fit for a hunting or clays gun, and I suck at wingshooting.

I'm willing to defer to those in the know who claim that a properly fitted and balanced gun swings to target easier, and is a much better tool for clay games or bird hunting.

That said, I do not necessarily believe that means that balance and swing are the be-all end-all in every situation.

After all, a shotgun with a capacity of 2-4 rounds may point and swing like a dream, but on a field course that has 25 targets or more, it would be a nightmare because you'd be hamstrung with a gun that would require you to be reloading constantly.

Anyone who has participated in a shotgun stage in 3 gun knows that those stages are primarily won or lost based on how proficient the shooter is at managing ammo (ie not missing) and reloading expended rounds.

In such a situation a choice must then be made as to what is more of a liability: is it better to have extremely limited capacity and a gun that points like a dream, or a shotgun capable of being loaded to division capacity that handles like a bit of a tank?

If a fast swing and natural balance were truly an advantage in that situation, no one would use extended magazine tubes, x-rails, or magazine-fed shotguns.

So, ultimately, and as always, it's a matter of tailoring the equipment and skill set to the task at hand. Of course it's idiotic to suggest that a Saiga is a great choice for Sporting Clays or dove hunting, but it's equally as foolish to claim that there are no situations in which enhanced capacity offers an advantage.




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Justin said:
I'll readily concede that I don't have much knowlege about proper fit for a hunting or clays gun, and I suck at wingshooting.

Of course it's idiotic to suggest that a Saiga is a great choice for Sporting Clays or dove hunting
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Well Justin, It's obvious you're not the only one (in this thread) that's clueless about wing shooting/hunting but at least you have admitted that and stated the obvious.....Cheers!
 
who can name a better, more versatile boom-boom stick?
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Belgian made Browning A-5 Sweet 16 with all the barrels (a 24" barrel with rifle sights for deer to a 28" barrel for upland shooting). Sure, its a bit of a hassle to change barrels based on the situation or set the friction rings for loads, but you get the absolute finest shotgun ever designed and built on earth. I've pit my 1950's Sweet 16 with well over 250k rds through it against any other shotgun you can think of and it took the cake every time. The only gun I found to be better than it was an 8ga double barrel muzzleloader and I'm only saying that because the 8ga was far better looking.

In a very close second to the A-5, I'd have to say its a tie between the Model 97 Winchester an a Mossberg 500.
 
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