Best sniper caliber? Best sniper rifle?
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Under a grand?? You do realize USMC and Us Army only require 1 MOA out of their Issue weapons.
Most precision shooters I know would be totally dissatisfied with that.
You could go with a PSS, or a Savage and do pretty well....
What kind of optics are you looking at??... is the $1000 for the rifle only or the rifle and scope??
Most precision shooters I know would be totally dissatisfied with that.
You could go with a PSS, or a Savage and do pretty well....
What kind of optics are you looking at??... is the $1000 for the rifle only or the rifle and scope??
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deffinatly either a mosin or an sks LOL .
Distance?
I suspect that the distance you intend to shoot at will factor in as well. For example: if you want 2000 meters - then you want a .50 cal. But I don't think you'll find one of those for under a grand.
My Marlin 60 .22 is a helluva sniper rifle at 50 yards.
I suspect you're thinking in the 600-1000 meter/yard range right?
I suspect that the distance you intend to shoot at will factor in as well. For example: if you want 2000 meters - then you want a .50 cal. But I don't think you'll find one of those for under a grand.
My Marlin 60 .22 is a helluva sniper rifle at 50 yards.
I suspect you're thinking in the 600-1000 meter/yard range right?
BsChoy
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Looking for an under 1000.00 rifle...remington or savage as stated. The savage will run you 500.00, sink a little more into a better stock and get a 10x40 super sniper scope for 400.00. Its a start you'll probably upgrade later. And stick with 308...easy on the wallet and performs very well with the right bullets.
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deffinatly either a mosin or an sks LOL .
That Mosin worked just fine for Simo Häyhä.
That Mosin worked just fine for Simo Häyhä.
redneckrepairs
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That mosin has worked just fine for a lot more folks than that LOL It wouldnt be my choice for a top tier snipeing rig , but over the years a lot of graves disagree with me . It was posted in jest only because the run of the mill mosin today is a beater that is fun as hell , as is the sks . IMHO there is no serious option under 1k that is suitable . The rifles that are accurate enough wont take the abuse , and the rifles that will take the abuse are not accurate enough. Its all good for me tho since i cant shoot that good nor am i in condition to even try sniping anything rougher than prarie dogs LOL .
The Deer Hunter
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Do you want to be a real precision shooter? Or are you looking for a generally good shooting rifle at 100-200 yds?
If your looking for a nice rifle get something like a Mosin, Remington 700, or a Tikka T3. From what I have heard the Mosin is still very accurate even though they are 60+ years old and are very common. The Remingtons and the Tikkas aren't as expensive as most 'sniper' rifles but are just about as accurate and will run you like $400-$600 for a good one.
I heard Mausers(milsurp) are good too but are a bit more collectible, harder to find and tend to cost as much as a new rifle, ~$200-$600(matching numbers are very expensive are ary very collectible)
I would have to say the best sniper round is the .308WIN.
If your looking for a nice rifle get something like a Mosin, Remington 700, or a Tikka T3. From what I have heard the Mosin is still very accurate even though they are 60+ years old and are very common. The Remingtons and the Tikkas aren't as expensive as most 'sniper' rifles but are just about as accurate and will run you like $400-$600 for a good one.
I heard Mausers(milsurp) are good too but are a bit more collectible, harder to find and tend to cost as much as a new rifle, ~$200-$600(matching numbers are very expensive are ary very collectible)
I would have to say the best sniper round is the .308WIN.
Gord
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The best sniper rifle caliber is the .32 H&R Magnum (which is a magnumized version of the originally used long range sniper round, the .32 ACP), and the best sniper rifle is the AH-64 Apache. Unfortunately, the Apache, due to its deadly range, is not civilian-legal.
Now, can anyone tell me what pistol the Special Forces use? None of the retired ones at my local gun shop could tell me.
Now, can anyone tell me what pistol the Special Forces use? None of the retired ones at my local gun shop could tell me.
Lupinus
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Define "sniper"
If by sniper you mean you want to cover four holes with a silver dollar at 500 yards you might be up the chreek wihtout a paddle and a hole in the boat for your price.
If however you want to hit a melon at 500 yards most good hunting rifle will do just fine. Thats all a sniper rifle really is, a hunting rifle that is spiffed up, accurized a bit, and has a really good scope.
Get a 500 dollar hunting rifle, tweak it (bed it, float it, adjust trigger, etc.), and a really good scope and wham, there's your spiper rifle for under a thousand bucks.
That all changes if by sniper you mean competition and want 1moa at many hundreds of yards.
If by sniper you mean you want to cover four holes with a silver dollar at 500 yards you might be up the chreek wihtout a paddle and a hole in the boat for your price.
If however you want to hit a melon at 500 yards most good hunting rifle will do just fine. Thats all a sniper rifle really is, a hunting rifle that is spiffed up, accurized a bit, and has a really good scope.
Get a 500 dollar hunting rifle, tweak it (bed it, float it, adjust trigger, etc.), and a really good scope and wham, there's your spiper rifle for under a thousand bucks.
That all changes if by sniper you mean competition and want 1moa at many hundreds of yards.
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Special forces never used a pistol , they all halo'd into poon tayng valley with m 60s with the budweiser feed mod ( so the belts would not jam )to catch hanoy jane and ho chi min in thier love nest . Hope that helps you with your quest of armmiment bud .
I know this is true cause the fat guy in cammies at the gunstore told me so .
I know this is true cause the fat guy in cammies at the gunstore told me so .
dispatch55126
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The platform of choice is going to very as every rifle has its own feel and its the mechanics of shooting that are as, if not more, important with accuracy. As far as caliber, there are two proven sniper rounds that are still in use after almost a century, the .03-06 and 7.62x54R. Both rounds saw action before WWI and both rounds are still the round of choice in its respective military's sniper program. My suggestion if you are looking for "the" sniper rifle is to look at each round's ballistics at its optimum as handloading is almost a requirement, then find a rifle that is chambered for that round.
Gord
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Can I get an M60 custom chambered in .45 then? As I understand it (the retired Special Forces guys at the gun shop confirm this) the 7.62x51 NATO falls far below the .45 in terminal performance.
Lupinus
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left out caliber
for long range work .308WIN is going to be what you want to go with. A wide range of calibers will do long range work but .308 seems to have the best loadings availible and for add ons later is a good choice.
for long range work .308WIN is going to be what you want to go with. A wide range of calibers will do long range work but .308 seems to have the best loadings availible and for add ons later is a good choice.
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There is a world of difference when it comes to Mosin Nagants. That's one area that you really need to practically get a college education in. Finland reworked and brought russian Mosin Nagants that they had either captured from an earleir war, traded from other countries or somhow come into their possesion up to their standards. Their standards at the time was second to none when it came to a rifle to the common soldier of theirs. The difference is like riding a Cadillac vs a Chevrolet Nova.
Lupinus
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depending on the year I'd take the nova lol
270Win
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For the Very Best... I might be tempted to vote Accuracy International in .338 Lapua.
OverkillNot to be a wise-en-hiemer... but...
Go buy a Rem 700 used in 308 for $350 and buy the best scope that you can for $575 and a timney trigger with the remaining $75. Then save your pocket change in a big jar. When you can shoot better that that set-up, go and count the change in that jar. Then buy your self a Sako TRG or Accuracy International rifle and a US optics scope with the money in that jar. Spend the rest on ammo, or you kids college tuition.
I'm being sarcastic here to illustrate a point. Most folks spend a ton of cash on equipment and never put the time and effort into training. Buy the best that you can afford and practice, practice, practice.
PS. every dollar that you spend on a scope is worth 3 times its value if you spent it on the rifle. You can't hit what you can't see, or see well, that is.
Go buy a Rem 700 used in 308 for $350 and buy the best scope that you can for $575 and a timney trigger with the remaining $75. Then save your pocket change in a big jar. When you can shoot better that that set-up, go and count the change in that jar. Then buy your self a Sako TRG or Accuracy International rifle and a US optics scope with the money in that jar. Spend the rest on ammo, or you kids college tuition.
I'm being sarcastic here to illustrate a point. Most folks spend a ton of cash on equipment and never put the time and effort into training. Buy the best that you can afford and practice, practice, practice.
PS. every dollar that you spend on a scope is worth 3 times its value if you spent it on the rifle. You can't hit what you can't see, or see well, that is.
Lupinus
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Very true but consider what is practicle or not.
You can see it with a hundred dollar Bushnel just fine. Can you see it better with a 600 dollar scope? Well yeah it is likely to be clearer and brighters and what not. But the extra 500 might just be spent both on a slightly better rifle and ammo.
Now once you are talking about silver dollars at 500 yards sure thing, get that great really expensive scope. But there is practicalty as well IMO.
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Find an older Savage 110FP in 30-06
Yu can live with the trigger or tune it plus it can be replaced with the Sharpsooter trigger if you still think you need it. The 30-06 can be worked to 1000 yards with a heavy bullet. The case can hold 6g more powder than a .308 and thus drive a 175g bullet. Your in $450 and then you need a scope. The SWFWA or old Tasco SS with side focus for $350.This is a great scope and over looked by a lot of folks. $350. Now spend that last $200 for ARMS base and QD low 30mm rings. I have an older 110FP in .308 with a tuned trigger set at a crisp 5#a bit high but you have the shot so you learn it and be safe. I hear good things about the Sharpshooter trigger but I'm OK with what I have. The ARMS system lets me take the scope off for carry and remount with zero 99% the same. It will make cold shot with in 1" of where it shot last time out. I am looking for a 110FP in 30-06 myself.
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MJ
Yu can live with the trigger or tune it plus it can be replaced with the Sharpsooter trigger if you still think you need it. The 30-06 can be worked to 1000 yards with a heavy bullet. The case can hold 6g more powder than a .308 and thus drive a 175g bullet. Your in $450 and then you need a scope. The SWFWA or old Tasco SS with side focus for $350.This is a great scope and over looked by a lot of folks. $350. Now spend that last $200 for ARMS base and QD low 30mm rings. I have an older 110FP in .308 with a tuned trigger set at a crisp 5#a bit high but you have the shot so you learn it and be safe. I hear good things about the Sharpshooter trigger but I'm OK with what I have. The ARMS system lets me take the scope off for carry and remount with zero 99% the same. It will make cold shot with in 1" of where it shot last time out. I am looking for a 110FP in 30-06 myself.
Cheers
MJ
Lupinus
All I was trying to say it that I'm sick of seeing people with a $1200 rifle with $69 BSA scope wondering why every few shots their POI moves 3 feet. I just feel the the vast majority of people (especially me) would be better served by an average rifle with superior glass, than by a superior rifle with average glass.
All I was trying to say it that I'm sick of seeing people with a $1200 rifle with $69 BSA scope wondering why every few shots their POI moves 3 feet. I just feel the the vast majority of people (especially me) would be better served by an average rifle with superior glass, than by a superior rifle with average glass.
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Caliber: .308 Winchester
Rifle: Remington model 700 40X
Rifle: Remington model 700 40X
Lupinus
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Oh I understand that all to well. Simply saying some people also think slapping a several hundred dollar dollar leopold on their decent rifle will make them great shots. You can see it all day long if you don't know how to hit it it wont matter much is all.
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if you are looking for say, 600 yds or less, then a Savage in 308, with some nice glass will do you very well. Id' go with a 26 inch bbl. You can look in Savage master catalog and put one together. for over that distance, you may wanna look at a 7mm rem mag, or what the bench shooters shoot, something in 6.5-284. All the 1000yd guys shoot a bullet in the 6.5 to 7mm range for the 1000 yd crossing, with heavy bullets 140 to `160 grains. You may be able to put something like the 7mm with savage, don't know if they do a 6.5-284 chambering.
if you go here, you will see the new world record 1000 yd group is 2.87 inches, shot with a 7mm wsm.
http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html
if you go here, you will see the new world record 1000 yd group is 2.87 inches, shot with a 7mm wsm.
http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html
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