Black powder please save us!

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During and just after WW2, the role of private (and illegal) firearms under an "occupation" or even "liberation" scenario wasn't military combat, but for protection against raiding hooligans as the social order had lapsed into chaos.
Partisans, OTOH, employed military weapons either stolen or smuggled in by allies, but even then they could not seize and hold strategic positions.for very long,
For a private citizen, a cap and ball revolver could indeed provide a level of confidence and some security during a mob rule situation, but if it were discovered in their possession, it would have been the gallows.
 
midland man said:
well I would say that would cause some pain lol...
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Don't look real portable to me, might be a problem with concealed carry. Any weapon during a commie occupation, domestic or foreign is good weapon. Anyone look up the Liberators dropped in France during WW 2?
 
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WWII Liberator pistol
The FP-45 Liberator was an inexpensive single-shot pistol designed by the U.S. military during World War 2 to serve as a disposable weapon, the idea being to "arm a million people in Europe for the cost of a single battleship." Though described as an 'assassination weapon' some historians bristled at the connotation, indicating that the intent was to provide ultra cheap 'insurgency weapons' which could be dropped behind enemy lines to friendly forces. The simple design and single shot capacity would ensure that the weapon be regarded as relatively useless by any enemy military (firing a .45 ACP round from an unrifled 4-inch barrel, the Liberator's effective range was around 3 yards, the crude construction gives a lifespan of about 50 rounds, and the all-metal body and locked breech means the weapon can cut the shooter's hand when fired if they are not wearing gloves, and is generally incredibly unpleasant to shoot), but could be used as a last ditch defensive weapon or to procure better weapons from enemy forces, which was the Liberator's primary purpose. The weapon was made in utmost secrecy, with instructions using non-firearm terms such as "spanner" to describe the parts and a deliberately misleading designation ("FP" for "Flare Projector").

There is more than one way to defend against an enemy.
 
I keep a stash of BP and caps in a BATF approved powder magazine . I also have a lot of ammo properly stored for long term. Way too many guns distributed over 3 states. As long as we have the current POTUS I don't think there is a Federal thing to worry about. State gestapo now , that is a pesky problem :(.
 
I've got a .31 Pocket Remmy, a 5.5" 58 Remmy, a 5" Colt '51 navy in my collection and a NAA Supercompanion. Yeah, I've thought of such things and I can switch to BP carry if ever there's a need, but in all these years, there's never been the need, thank God. I doubt at this point I'll live long enough to see the need. I'm 66 years old now and keep my NRA membership up. Concealed carry is politically well entrenched now thanks primarily to the efforts of the NRA and I expect to be carrying my 9, my .45, or my .357 and .38 'til I drop. I do know how to load and use cap and ball for defense if I ever need, though.
 
Gordon said:
I keep a stash of BP and caps in a BATF approved powder magazine . I also have a lot of ammo properly stored for long term. Way too many guns distributed over 3 states. As long as we have the current POTUS I don't think there is a Federal thing to worry about. State gestapo now , that is a pesky problem :(.
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My advice, vote with your feet.
 
It's this type of paranoid fantasy that makes gun owners look bad. I'm fully willing to fight for what are my rights or my safety, yet providing healthcare for our population isn't a fast train to Leningrad. If you want to be afraid of something, be afraid of the monetary forces that actually have been runnning this country since before 1776. The constitution looks good and all but it's been violated and trampled in the name of financial benefit of not you and me since the beginning. Government is in place to protect the rich from the common man. Not the other way around.
 
MCgunner said:
My advice, vote with your feet.
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Somebody has to stay and fight, besides not a quitter! Remember the Alamo,
I appreciate the freedom of leaving this up and open. Allthough I have to bite my tongue when I hear someone putting down our Glorious Constitution. It really takes more constraint than I have, have to have Divine help :)
 
Catcar67 said:
I was looking for discussions on black powder not Power. Is it being done here?
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Well ok then :
IF black powder is kept dry and cool, say under 100 degrees and under 50% humidity it has proven to be useable for more than a hundred years and some useable powder has been found twice that age. This is mostly because it is a mixture and not a chemical , per se. The Black can even be dried out , usually, and recrumbled if it gets wet but none of the constituents are lost . Legally is should be stored with distance from things you don't want blown up , in a container or bunker that has doors that either blow off or bulge venting gases into a safe and non combustible area. I have my black and smokeless powder in a 800 pound iron box that is wood lined and grounded to earth . Altho very thick maleble iron was used with heavy hinges it has air entry around gaps and is designed so the door will fold partially open if there is an ignition . The iron soaks up alot of the heat generated (in therory) so you just get a spray of hot sparking gases . That is in a well ventilated ex GI communication truck box set into a hill side 30 feet from my 40 foot high boy ocean container man cave which is 100 feet from my house . That is safe long term storage. I have crates of ammo in there too, so I would imagine there would be quite a spectacular display if the thing was to go off.
 
If it's anything, I once shot a handful of 90 year old US marked 45 LC cartridges and they worked perfectly. That's all I got.
Edited to correct: Did some math in my head and I was wrong. Shells were from the remains of a box marked 1881 and I shot them in 1987, so 106 years old. They came from a lot of like-marked boxes gotten at an estate sale and my friend's dad let us test the ones from the bad box.
 
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