Break In -- What do you do?

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You're in bed and are jarred awake by your spouse shaking you saying someone is in the house.
You grab your gun, get your spouse behind cover and...

A. Clear the house while having your spouse call 911 from behind cover
B. Clear the house WITH your spouse just as you've practiced
C. Stay hunkered down with your spouse and dial 911
D. Exit the house through a window and then call 911

Personally I'm saying (A)
I've never been in this situation but I think my instincts would lead me to take charge of the situation instead of waiting for the BG to come into the bedroom.

BUT AGAIN, I haven't been in this situation. So how would you handle it? I'm trying to learn things here so if I'm wrong, please inform me of what to do differently.
 
C would be my choice. A & B are dangerous even for a team of professionals. Emphasis on TEAM. Clearing rooms is a team task, to be learned by route and practiced over and over again. Being in a good position of concealment with secure flanks and a known entry point is good. If the bad guy tries to get in, you'll be in a a good position to end the fight quickly. But remember the bad guy can do exactly the same thing to you if you try to stick your head into rooms. This changes if you have another family member, esp. a child, somewhere else in the house. Then you may have to risk it.

Otherwise, the take charge instinct is exactly the wrong instinct. Keep your cool, don't be afraid of being a coward. You do not want a fair fight. You want an UNfair fight, with you blowing the intruder in half from cover with the biggest, baddest long gun you have if he tries to get in your redoubt.

D is only an option if it can be done safely. Usually you will have no good idea of what's outside. Crooks make trips back and forth to the crookmobile.
 
C would be my choice as well unless of course I had sleeping children in another room.
The good thing is if it's just you and your wife you two know the house very well but the invader does not.
So..."Come closer said the spider to the fly".
 
Ditto, the answer is C. You don't know how many are in the house, only that there is at least one..., you don't know how they are armed..., and as pointed out a team clears a house..., such a team is wearing body armor..., jammies don't count. I would move to a position to cover my kids rooms, and if only me and the spouse, then we'd stay put and wait for the police.

LD
 
C, indeed. This exact question has been beaten out thoroughly in quite a few fairly recent threads here in S&T.

Probably the first to check out:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=556019

Good one on taking things outside:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=552155

Also:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=536302
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=532250


There are lots more, but you probably will be quite exhausted with the question before you get through the fourth one.
 
"D" may send you outside into the arms of bad guy's buddy(-ies). Stay put, make them come to you.
 
C.

"D" may send you outside into the arms of bad guy's buddy(-ies). Stay put, make them come to you.
I agree. Just watch the doorway, and be ready. If they start coming through then they will be an easy target.
 
So after taking cover, do you then yell out that you are armed and will shoot to kill or do you lay in wait, waiting for the moment when the BG comes into your bedroom?
If you call out, you alert the BG('s) to your position but you also make it clear that you will shoot...which could also insight a barrage of projectiles in your direction.
I like to think most bandits are smash and grab cowards who flee at the first sign of any obstacles but of course this isn't always the case.

What to do?
 
I think there are quite a few variables that would change this answer.
If you have other loved ones in the house? A or B.
If you have a decent sized house, C may be your best option.
Myself, however, I would opt for option A, as my one bedroom apartment is rather small.
The shape of it is similar to the letter G, the bottom being the front door and living room, the curl inside being the kitchen, and the top being the bedroom and bathroom, thus it is not as great of a risk as someone having to clear room-to-room and not having an idea of where said BG is.
If he's in my house, he's either in my living room or my kitchen lol, and there aint much he can use as cover or concealment.
 
So after taking cover, do you then yell out that you are armed and will shoot to kill or do you lay in wait, waiting for the moment when the BG comes into your bedroom?

"I am armed and will shoot! Leave NOW! The police are on their way!"

After that, it's their move.
 
If you KNOW someone is in your house, that's one thing. But what about the times you're just not sure?

You or the wife heard a "funny" noise.....then nothing. You don't think there's anyone in the house. In fact, you're 99.9% sure that everything is fine, so there's no need to dial 911.........but dang, that .1% is nagging at you and you just want to be sure that you're sure....

What then?

I've never had anyone inside my house but I've had about 7-8 times where I wasn't 100% sure.

This is where knowing how to clear your house is a good skill to have.

Now if you want to call the cops each time you have that .1% nagging doubt, go ahead. Better to be safe than sorry.
 
C. Stay hunkered down with your spouse and dial 911
We have no kids and four dogs. There will be no doubt in my mind whether there is an intruder in the house or if it is a false alarm. :)
 
Go to http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx

Click the box for the Personal Protection In The Home Course (left hand column about half way down)

Find yourself an instructor and take the class. Here's the course description:

*The NRA Basic Personal Protection in the Home Course exposes students to several schools of thought regarding defensive shooting techniques and is for law-abiding adult citizens, as defined by applicable federal, state or local law. This course is much more than just a routine shooting course and it’s important that participants have sufficient maturity and life experiences to be able to assess various situations and make mature decisions. Before taking this courses students must have proof of shooting experience that must be one of the following: NRA Basic Pistol Course Certificate, NRA First Steps Course Certificate, NRA Marksmanship Qualification Certificate (Pistol disciplines), pistol qualification card, military DD-214 with pistol Qualification, concealed carry permit or pass the NRA Personal Protection Pre-Course Assessment.

* This shooting portion of this course is about Defensive accuracy, which is a balance between speed and accuracy. Students shoot as fast as they can while still hitting the target every time. Factors that bear on speed or accuracy are the distance to the target and the target size. For example, a close in (1-21 feet) large target can be engaged with multiple hits in seconds without slowing down to obtain perfect sight alignment and have every shot on the target. The opposite is a 25-yard shot, which requires the shooter to slow down and use perfect sight alignment and possibly a supported position.

* The Course Goal of the NRA Personal Protection in the Home Course is to develop in the students the basic knowledge, skills and attitude essential to the safe and efficient use of a handgun for protection of self and family and provide information on the law-abiding citizen’s right to self defense.

* *The length of this course is a minimum of 8 hours. There are 7 course lessons and they are the following:

1. Introduction to Defensive Shooting.
2. Basic Defense Handgun Skills.
3. Firearms and the Law: Possession, Ownership and the Use of Deadly Force – Must be taught by
* a Qualified Individual.
4. Strategies for Home Safety and Responding to a Violent Confrontation.
5. Selecting a Handgun for Self-Defense.
6. Sport Shooting Activities and Training Opportunities.
7. Course Review and Examination.

* *Attractive certificates are awarded to participants who successfully complete this basic course. -- http://www.nratraining.net/#/personalprotinthehome/4529527277
=============

In short, what the course teaches is to hunker everyone down in the dark, behind good cover, in a defensible place, with the cavalry on the phone, and the primary defender in place with artillery trained on the most likely avenue of approach- which is well lit, either from remote controlled area lighting, motion activated lights etc. Making them come to you is likely the best course of action, and if they walk off with the TV before the LEOs get there- no big deal.

The best course of action of course is to prevent the break-in in the first place if you can. You do that by making your home less of an inviting target to thieves. Take a look at http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/propertycrime.html for some ideas on how to harden your home against criminals.

Odds of having a hot burglary or home invasion are not generally very high, unless you're in a high-risk occupation involving relatively ready access to lots of money, jewelry etc. In my region, the only outright home invasions in recent years have pretty much involved drug dealers being ripped off/robbed, or druggies looking for money or drugs. Doesn't mean it can't happen, and it certainly doesn't diminish the stakes if it does happen to you. Which is why it's good to add to your repertoire of family emergency plans... like your fire drills, your evacuation plan for floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.

hth,

lpl
 
"D" may send you outside into the arms of bad guy's buddy(-ies). Stay put, make them come to you.

May we keep this in the real world? It's not an assassination. If you can get out, cleanly, you should do so. After all, where's the greater risk? Getting out and away to contact the police, or remaining behind where the probability of a gunfight remains very high?

According to the NRA's 'Basic Personal Protection In The Home' Course:

If a window is used for escape, be aware that you might be putting yourself in as much or more danger by abandoning the, 'safe room'. This is a decision that must be made depending upon the situation.

So, I'll say it again. It's not an assassination. If you can quickly and cleanly get out - Do so! (Unless, of course, you really love gunfighting.)

"I am armed and will shoot! Leave NOW! The police are on their way!"

Almost verbatim out of the same Instructor's Manual: 'Stop!' 'Go away!' 'The Police have been called.' 'I have a gun!' ('and I'm ready to use it.') 'If you come in I will shoot you!' ('Leave now!')

Personally, if at all possible, I'd prefer to avoid the latter situation and advantage myself by cleanly fleeing the scene while I still can. There's, also, a lot to be said for not, 'squawking like a parrot' while a potential killer is closing in on you. (Understand?)

To stay walled-up, or to flee is an important subjective decision that only the potential victim should make. There's no one fast hard rule; and, while a dogmatic response might sound good on the internet, in real life you've got to remain a lot more fluid.
 
I would have to clear the house. I have a 6 month old and 2 year old and there is no way I would wait for the BG to come find me. I also have a 125lb lab who is very protective, he would sniff the BG out, or at least distract so I could get to my kids.
 
Well......Hmmmm! Hard to say!

I could not see hunkering down for cover as there are probably more than me in the other rooms of the house I have to consider that would be unable to defend their selves....i.e. grandchildren, or other children.... not foster but might as well be! (lol)

anyway...my situation would mostly go as follows:

5 Dogs going off in unison
ADT Screaming at a decible rate that will make you throw up
Me trying to get wife off of me so I can address intrusion
Clear room (like there will be anything to clear) but be prepared
check on others as I call 911..... to tell them I had an intrusion and the guy will be easy to find cause he has no left/right butt cheek! (911 operator)..."how do you know that sir"? (Me) "cause my dog has it in his mouth chewing on it!" 60 Lb. Labs are Soooo Loyal! and 115 Lb. Golden Retrievers too! ....and the other three ankle biters as well!

Now Really...all the above would most likely happen in my house,

But my answer would be "A"... due to I have 4 other bedrooms that would be involved and they could not defend themselves, while my wife calls 911...which ADT has already done....If God forbid it turned bad for me my wife is still armed and has cover and will take it from there I suppose....

However my layout has its advantages from the onset of such! I am posistioned between both entry doors, alarm would set everything into motion, and in perfect world (yeah right) I should be able to clear living area and hall way from bedroom door behind cover!

Preperation ahead of the intruder is the best defense against the Intruder....
Dogs, Alarm, Posistional Advantage in Home! Just My Thoughts!
 
C would be best, but the entrance to the house is between me and the kids. I can't just wait.

This is my situation. I bought my house when I was single. It is a split bedroom plan. I can't just wait on them to come to me or the police to get there. I have to take care of the children.
 
Our children are grown and on their own, so for me it's - open the bedroom door quick to let the dogs out, lock the door and put the chair under the knob that I keep there for that purpose, then "C." I fully expect the dogs to be killed, but that's their job. We have two phones in the room, one cordless and one cell - just works out that way. So while my wife is calling 911, I'm able to give my full attention to the door, and we're both behind cover. (Whatever kicks open the door dies...)

Then she can call my buddy who lives three blocks away and is the head of our local SWAT team...
 
If there are others at risk go to make sure they are safe with your gun while you wife calls 911 otherwise go to a safe place, (it might be outside) and wait but be ready for anything.
Nothing that can be stolen is worth somebody's life including yours. Things can be replaced lifes cannot.
If you sense you or your loved ones are in grave danger then use your tactics. Do not panic just let the training take over. Your main objective is to stop the threat, whatever you have to do. Once you stop the threat get out of there ASAP and call the police if they are not on their way already.
THE KEY IS TO AVOID A FIGHT BY ALL MEANS IF YOU CAN.
The best way to stay out of harms way is precisely just that, stay away. Run alone or with your family if you have to and you can.
Also remember that every round that leaves the barrel from your firearm has your name (and your lawyer's name) written on it.

And the most important thing. Know your systems, train, train, train and pray you never have to use it.


Cheers,
E.

ps: One of these with a folding stock and three extra magazines is a good option to keep close by...

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What then?

I've never had anyone inside my house but I've had about 7-8 times where I wasn't 100% sure.

This is where knowing how to clear your house is a good skill to have.

Now if you want to call the cops each time you have that .1% nagging doubt, go ahead. Better to be safe than sorry.

Lee L. has said some very important things on that subject. Mainly that there is no rush (assuming you don't have to go find scattered family members) and you can stay put and listen to what the sounds you're hearing are telling you.

Listening intently for 10 minutes, with the phone in one hand (or wife's hand) and gun in the other while picking up clues as to what might really be going on is a very wise choice.

Was it a book falling off a shelf? The cat chasing a mouse? The wind? Or footsteps continuing fairly regularly and objects being moved around?

You don't have to hear a noise and run out of the room with your 12 ga. to see what it was. (Possible suicide.) You can use your other senses to discern what might be taking place and whether that call to the police and hunkering down is reasonable -- or if maybe after 10 minutes you should go put the cat out and double check your locks.

Gotta use ALL the tools in the tool box.
 
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