Bringing gun on airplane to IL (weird situation...)

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Seems it's either get a FOID card in IL or change residency in OH.

The first option sounds easier.

Anyone know the process of obtaining a FOID card? Is it possible to register for one at a gun shop and not through the mail? (and then pick it up at the gun shop after you're approved by the state)
 
Dentthat you can go on the Illinois State Police website or the IDNR website and follow the link and apply for a FOID card online I do believe. I know I can change the address on mine online.
I know you have to submit a photo to them but I know on my last one the photo I submitted adn the photo on my FOID card are not teh same photo. The one on my FOID card is actually the same one as on my driver's license.
 
Hmm, can I use my OH address to obtain my FOID card? I do have a valid IL driver's license and proof that I attend college here in OH.
 
You can DL a FOID app at
http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/6-181.pdf
You cannot submit a FOID app on-line. You have to submit the written form after answering all the questions.
If you are under 21 then you have to have a parent sign your FOID application or it will be returned unprocessed. Don't even think about getting someone to forge a parent's signature. Not only will your FOID app be denied but you'll also be facing criminal charges. Read the very top line on the application starting with the red "WARNING:" You absolutely do not want to mess with a felony charge.
No, you cannot use an Ohio address. FOID is for IL residents only. Using an Ohio address means you are an Ohio resident. It doesn't matter where you attend college. When you apply for a FOID card you are saying you're an IL resident.
You have to submit a recent photo with your FOID app. It will be compared against your driver's license photo which is the one used on your FOID card.
Once you complete the FOID application and include a $10 check/money order then mail it to the ISP FOID section. The address is on the form. It will take 30-45 days to process it. This time of year (hunting season) takes a bit longer because people forget to check if their FOIDs are valid until it's hunting season. Then they find out their cards are expired and there's a flood of applications which backlogs the system.
 
no_problem said:
<<I'm a college student studying in Ohio (been here for 4 years) and my hometown is Illinois. This winter break, I want to bring my gun that I'll be buying in Ohio back home to Illinois.>>

You are an Illinois resident, and you are simply in Ohio for school. Illinois laws and FOID apply to you, you are not exempt.

Not true. BATF has stated the a student attending school outside his home state is a resident of the state in which he is attending school during the period he is actually residing in that state.
 
Not true. BATF has stated the a student attending school outside his home state is a resident of the state in which he is attending school during the period he is actually residing in that state.

so.....I'll be able to purchase a gun in Ohio without the need of an Ohio driver's license? Just show them proof that I attend college here?
 
ISP2605, doesnt the state have only 30 days to issue the card? If so taking longer is breaking state law. Is there any way to charge the state with a violation of our rights and for breaking the law? I am assuming ISP is for IL state police. Are the people in the office punished for not following the states guidelines and law?
 
SP2605, doesnt the state have only 30 days to issue the card? If so taking longer is breaking state law. Is there any way to charge the state with a violation of our rights and for breaking the law? I am assuming ISP is for IL state police. Are the people in the office punished for not following the states guidelines and law?
Come on now. Get real. Let's put life and reality in perspective.
The stautute says 30 days but there is no penalty section tied to the statute. Why don't you get yourself an attorney, have them draw up a complaint, have it filed with the state's attorney of your choosing, and then wait to see just how long it takes. You'll be waiting a lot longer than 30 days to get any of the SAs to move. If you get a quick response it will be a refusal to file charges because 1) you'll have to show where you were adversely affected by the action, 2) where you have standing, 3) that the action was done intentionally for the purpose of harming you, and 4) there is no penalty section to the statute. In addition, you'll have to show why you waited until the last minute to apply when you knew your card was set to expire and why if that was a concern of yours you waited so long to reapply.
Here's the reality. On average the state processes over 250,000 renewals a year. That does not include new FOID cards. Do the math. On average 20 working days a month. 240 working days a year. 250,000 renewals a year. That's over 1000 cards issued everyday. Run that out further. 8 hour shifts not including lunch, breaks, or break downs of equipment. 126 cards issued every hour or more than 2 cards every minute. The printing alone takes longer than 30 seconds a card. There's also the criminal history check, review, and checking over the application for incorrect, incomplete, and inaccurate information and then all that has to be computerized. That doesn't even come close to the amount of work required when someone pops up with a similar name as someone who is wanted or has a criminal record and the people have to decide if the applicant is the same as the person with the record.
None of that takes into account what happens in the fall. About August and September hunters begin looking forward to the hunting season. One of the things they decide to look at is their FOID card. You'd be surprised at how many people call up in a panic because they've failed to renew their card thru the year and come hunting season they learn their card has expired. No card, no hunting. So in the fall FOID is flooded with applications from people who haven't paid any attention during the year and now find they can't go hunting. So who's to blame for creating the backlog? Blame your fellow citizen. Try suing them.
What's amazing is that FOID can average a card issued every 30 seconds every work day of the year.
But let's put in all in perspective OK? The law says the state also has to pay all their bills on time. You might have better luck getting an SA to charge the Comptroller or someone in FHS or CMS for failing to pay bills on time. Those are mandated by statute. If you think a 45 day wait is excessive then take a look at what health care providers, pharmacists, gas companies, and everyone else who does business with the state have to wait. Some of those wait 12 months or more for payment which far exceeds state statutes. If you own a business and are depending on business with the state to stay open then think how it would be to wait 12-18 months after you provided services/goods before you ever got paid. 15 days or so past a due date is insignficant taking those into consideration.
You can't force any movement faster than they possibly can. Here's the reality. People think the world revolves around themselves. They don't see the big picture of what's really going on. FOIDs budget was cut, along with other state agencies. Employees were not replaced. Just a couple of years ago there were only 6 people doing the FOID issuance. People yap about doing away with state employees so now you see what happens when state offices are cut people. Deadlines don't get met and citizens don't get the services, businesses don't get paid.
So if you think waiting a few extra days is a major crisis in your life then stop by your local pharmacist and ask them how long they have to wait to get paid. Ask them how they manage to pay their bills, their employees, and their rent when the person who owes them money hasn't paid them in over a year. Let's put life in perspective. Get your FOID renewal submitted in plenty of time and you'll get your card before it expires. At least you won't have to worry about paying your bills, laying off employees, and losing your business.
 
How is it their fault that they provided a backlog. The state arbitrarily gave itself 30 days to issue the permit. The state should be forced to follow the law.

Your analogy between the state paying its bills and licensing my rights is a bad one. The bills is a private agreement between the state and a business. The FOID card is the state restricting my rights, then charging me to exercise them, only after I it violates my rights outlined in the fourth amendment, to ensure that I can exercise my second amendment rights.

That is the problem.
 
The situation with FOID cards has actually improved pretty substantially. It used to be fairly common right before hunting season for it to take 8-12 weeks to get a renewal, and 6-8 weeks was not rare during the rest of the year.

It seems like something that could be readily handled by 3 or 4 clerical employees, with the computers doing most of the work. But this being the state of Illinois you can bet some politician's crony sold them an obsolete computer system and a piece of software that barely works to handle it.
 
Your analogy between the state paying its bills and licensing my rights is a bad one. The bills is a private agreement between the state and a business.
No it's not analogy. It's in state statute how long the state has to pay its bills. It has nothing to do with a business agreement. It's statute.

it violates my rights outlined in the fourth amendme
4th Amendment? You getting a FOID card 15 days late violates unreasonable searches and seizure of the Bill of Rights?

As I stated then why don't you go talk to an attorney, have charges drawn up, take them to the SA of your choice, and have someone charged if you think you can get it done.
If that's your biggest worry in life that your FOID card won't arrive within 30 days then you sure have got it easy. It must be nice to live such a simple life with no other cares in the world.

It seems like something that could be readily handled by 3 or 4 clerical employees, with the computers doing most of the work.
Really? So you know how the operation works and in your expert knowledge you believe 3 or 4 employees can do it? Good luck. Do you know how many employees were doing it before when cards were going out within the 30 days? Do you know how many there are now? Do you know what happened to those employees and why they're no longer there?
FYI, since in your infinite research of the topic you failed to find this part out, computers are doing the work. What you fail to understand tho is someone has to enter that data in the computers. The FOID apps just don't come in the mail and are fed into a computer like a copier and out pops a FOID card. In your exhaustive research tell us just how long does it take to run a CQH on someone? How long does it take to compare that info back to determine if the app is the same person on the CQH? How long does it take to enter that data into the computer to get the card printed out?
But if you think you know so much about streamlining the process why don't you stop by FOID and give them some of your expert technical advice. You might even recieve an incentive cash reward for streamlining the process. But here's a suggestion - find out a whole lot more about the process than what you think you know because you clearly don't have a clue right now.
Do you really realize how many apps 250,000 renewals are a year? Does you really have a concept just how many that is? And that doesn't include new apps, just renewals.
But then everyone is an expert when they don't have a clue what they're talking about. Thanks expert.
 
I can't believe it is a whole lot harder than issuing credit cards. The clerks type in the data off the application, the computers do the credit check, and out pops a credit card.

One would think that renewals would be even easier since whatever hard parts had to be done would have already been done previously and the computer would recall that. One might think that the majority of renewals would already be in the system so very little typing would be required.

I readily admit that I have no idea how they handle FOID card applications, or how well thought out that process is. For all I know they are opening the envelopes by hand, entering data multiple times, and having to run background checks manually, none of which would surprise me in the least.
 
Well, you've at least proven you don't have a clue about the process even without having to admit it.

I can't believe it is a whole lot harder than issuing credit cards.
How many credit card companies do you think use "3 or 4 clerical employees" to issue all their credit cards? If you think so then you really need to pay a visit to some of the credit card companies. They employ thousands upon thousands of people to do just what you think "3 or 4 clerical employees" could manage.
How many times do you renew a credit card?
How many credit cards do you have that have your picture on it?
How many credit cards have your height, weight, hair and eye color?
Do you know the difference between running a credit check and running a CQH?

One would think that renewals would be even easier since whatever hard parts had to be done would have already been done previously and the computer would recall that.
Don't listen to the voices in your head telling you what to think. Since you admit you don't have a clue about the process, and have proven it, then don't believe what it is you "think". You have to know all what's involved before you can "think".
Sounds so simple to the uninformed, except it isn't so simple. Everytime you renew your FOID card a CQH is generated. The response is reviewed to determine if there are any disqualifying entries. Maybe there's an arrest but not a conviction which is not at all uncommon. It takes some additional work to determine if the arrest resulted in a conviction and if that conviction is a disqualifier.
The picture you submit is compared against your SOS picture. If you can "think" imagine the difficulty comparing someone's picture from 5 yrs ago to the one they submit today. 5 yrs ago they didn't wear glasses, they weren't bald, the hair they had wasn't gray, they didn't have a beard, they weighed 50 lbs lighter. I guess that step could be eliminated if you don't mind someone you don't know getting a FOID card with your name on it, then using that as ID to get additional ID in your name. You can't use your credit card to go additional ID in a name. You can with a picture FOID since it's a government picture ID card. But if you don't mind risking someone easily getting government ID in your name and having the ability to empty out all your bank accounts and ruin your credit.
All that data that you think "have already been done previously and the computer would recall that." isn't updated with the person's new hair color, weight, etc. All that has to be updated. The computer just doesn't know that you've gained weight and your hair has changed color during the past 5 yrs. Credit card companies don't care.
To even think to compare a credit card to a government issued ID is more than a bit naive. Don't embarrass yourself by "thinking" when you don't have a clue about the process. It's a lot more involved that you "think".
 
so.....I'll be able to purchase a gun in Ohio without the need of an Ohio driver's license? Just show them proof that I attend college here?

DentThat:
You have to prove two things to the FLL's satisfaction. You have to prove who you are and what your state of residence is. You must have one source of photo ID issued by a government agency. For instance, military buying guns where they are stationed, the Military ID acts as the government photo ID, and my permanent duty station orders proves my state of residency. So it is entirely up to the FFL. The FFL could legally use your IL driver's license as proof of identity, and use something official from the school or landlord or utility bills to prove residency in the state.

HOWEVER, most FFLs will not do that. They want to see something from the government that shows your state residency. As stated above, because you go to school and live part time in the state of Ohio, for the purposes of buying guns, you are an Ohio resident during the time you live there.
 
because you go to school and live part time in the state of Ohio, for the purposes of buying guns, you are an Ohio resident during the time you live there.
His question isn't about buying guns in Ohio. His question concerns needing a FOID when he returns home to IL. Since his ID shows him as an IL resident until he gets some ID from another state then when he returns home to IL he needs a FOID.
However, there's more to his story than he's telling. He wants to buy a gun and bring it home but he doesn't want his parents to know. He's got more problems than he's admitting.
 
Illinois officials breaking the law? Surely not!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

As for the FOID card, I think it is completely useless, why it takes so long to get processed I have no idea, especially if it is a renewal.

For what it's worth mine took 6 weeks from the date I mailed the application to the state, sent it in within a week of receiving the renewal app. had it back in plenty of time before my old one expired.
 
All I am saying ISP2605, is that the state has set guidelines and it should meet them. I do feel that I am not secure in my person when the state feels the need to do a background check simply because I wish to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights. Can you please show me where in the Bill of Rights it says that I need a FOID card to KEEP and bear arms? I dont remember seeing it. Do you?
 
What I'm saying is that they are doing the best they can given the limited resources since staff has been cut back dramatically. You wouldn't believe how much it's been cut back. But that's typical of all state agencies.
And what I'm saying is if you think waiting 33 days for a FOID card is bad then you are really out of touch with what's going on in state government. Again, ask a pharamcist about medicaid/medicare payments. Those payments are mandated by state statute too and those people have to wait many months. And, inspite of your limited knowledge thinking it's a business arrangement for them, it's not. They are mandated to provide services.

Can you please show me where in the Bill of Rights it says that I need a FOID card to KEEP and bear arms?
Once more, your knowledge of the Constitution is more than limited. First, as long as you are not prohibited by law, ie felon, then you can get a FOID. FOID does not limit anything for you. If you can't answer the questions on the 4473 then you can't get a FOID card either. FOID doesn't limit you in any way more than federal law already does.
Second, if you do a bit of study on Constitutional Law, which from your responses you clearly have not, you'll find that in every case concerning the Constitutional issues the USSC has ruled that Bill of Rights is not without limits. Every article in the Bill of Rights has been restricted and is not without limits of some kind. Your comment about the 4th Amendment is a clear indication you don't have a clue what is Constitutional and what isn't. So before you start whining "Constitution" you really ought to study up on it. You won't look so silly then when you try to discuss it.
 
Does the FOID card require a physical address or could you just rent a post office box in Illinois? I say that, but I really think you should talk it over with your parents and clear the air.

And it is illegal under federal law to buy a handgun across state lines, and illegal as well under federal law to buy a gun of any kind across state lines from a private individual. In other words, you can only buy a long gun, and only from a licensed dealer.

If I were an Ohio dealer I would never sell a gun to a college student with an Illinois driver's license.

There definitely is more to this story than we are hearing.

What kind of gun is it?

Why is it so important to get it home without your parents' knowledge?

Where do you plan to live after graduation?
 
You know, if the state of Illinois cannot meet the requirement that they have set for themselves for issuing the FOID on time, then, IMHO, the state of Illinois should waive the requirement for the FOID. It's another case where it is perfectly acceptable for a state to violate their own restrictions because of convenience and yet the general population better not try the same excuse, then we go to jail.
 
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