SamlautRanger
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Buckmark vs. MArk II rugers in 22LR. Opinions on which is best? I have a Ruger so would like to know how the buckmarks compare. What is the reliability and accuracy fo the Buckmarks compared to the rugers. Thanks.
Browning Buckmarks vs. Ruger Mk II 22LR pistols
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MrAcheson
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The ruger will almost certainly be more rugged. It is made of big pieces of solid steel rigidly joined together. The buckmark has more of a modular arrangement held together by the topstrap.
I prefer the buckmark's grip angle and feel to the Ruger, even the 22/45. The 22/45 is too blocky and the mark II is too canted. If you like the hipower's grip, you will like the buckmark. I also find that the buckmarks tend to have very good triggers out of the box.
The Ruger is a Ruger though. As a whole, the buckmark may be a better gun out of the box (and I think it is). However if you want to put the money into it, the Mark II can probably be made the best of both worlds using aftermarket parts.
I prefer the buckmark's grip angle and feel to the Ruger, even the 22/45. The 22/45 is too blocky and the mark II is too canted. If you like the hipower's grip, you will like the buckmark. I also find that the buckmarks tend to have very good triggers out of the box.
The Ruger is a Ruger though. As a whole, the buckmark may be a better gun out of the box (and I think it is). However if you want to put the money into it, the Mark II can probably be made the best of both worlds using aftermarket parts.
Northslope Nimrod
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Yep...What he said. Buckmarks have better grips and triggers....but don't feel as sturdy. I would prefer the Buckmark traits in sturdy Ruger frame. BUT why can't we get regular capacity clips in these darn things!?
Yep...What he said. Buckmarks have better grips and triggers....but don't feel as sturdy. I would prefer the Buckmark traits in sturdy Ruger frame. BUT why can't we get regular capacity clips in these darn things!?
sturmruger
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One big advantage with the Ruger is ability to get so many aftermarket parts.
No_Brakes23
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How do they compare to S&W's 22a, 41, and Walther's P22?
Graystar
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The S&W 22a are junk (my personal opinion), the M41 is much nicer than a Mark II but you pay for it, and I don't know about the Walther.
That said, there are over 2 million MarkI/IIs out there for a reason. You certainly would not be making a mistake by getting one.
That said, there are over 2 million MarkI/IIs out there for a reason. You certainly would not be making a mistake by getting one.
Marshall
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Both are nice pistols! I have a Buckmark and would buy it again, never had a problem with it.
KONY
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AFAIK, I think this has to do with the nature of the the 22lr round and reliable feeding. Don't think you can double stack them like the bigger centerfire carridges.
Matt Sutton
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Buckmark!
They don't have magazine disconnect safeties, and they don't attempt to write a stinking novel on the barrel.
They don't have magazine disconnect safeties, and they don't attempt to write a stinking novel on the barrel.
dasmi
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Ah, timely thread. I looked at a Ruger Mk. II and a Buckmark last night. Can't decide which I want. But, I have decided I really, really need a .22lr auto...for introducing new shooters to the sport...ya...that's it...
MrTuffPaws
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Have a Buckmark and have shot the Rugers. IMO, I like the Buckmark far more. Better looking, easier to clean, more and more after market parts coming out, more accurate than I am, and the wife loves it.
Legionnaire
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dasmi, you, of course, need one of each! That way you can show a new shooter the differences, and each of you can shoot at the same time, and you can let them get a good feel for the differences so when they decide to buy one themselves, they won't have to ask "which is better?" 
(Buckmark for me, by the way ...)
(Buckmark for me, by the way ...)
P95Carry
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Wish I had a link but - caseydog posted this exact question late part of last year - a search might bring it up. There were a great many Buckmark positive comments as well as those for MkII. He opted to get the Buckmark (we do pin shooting most weeks) and he has been delighted with it.
I have used my 22/45, also with good results - and have added a comp' plus the Volquartsen extractor. I prefer the controls and grip angle of the 22/45 but the MkII is of course very similar. maybe now a MkIII is good because of tapping for mount and, I think now the mag release is also ''conventional'' as against heel type.
I doubt you would be too disappointed with either.
I have used my 22/45, also with good results - and have added a comp' plus the Volquartsen extractor. I prefer the controls and grip angle of the 22/45 but the MkII is of course very similar. maybe now a MkIII is good because of tapping for mount and, I think now the mag release is also ''conventional'' as against heel type.
I doubt you would be too disappointed with either.
P. Plainsman
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Good thread (the topic is a perennial around here), and I think the first few posts nicely covered the strengths of each model.
I have a Buck Mark Plus with a 5.5" barrel and like it a lot. Splendid trigger out of the box, easy to shoot accurately, looks good. I also like the Buck Mark's 1911-style grip compared to more sharply raked grips.
My pistol has lately gotten a bit finicky about chambering the first round; after racking the slide back I sometimes have to give it an extra tap to close it. It then shoots fine. I am not convinced this can't be cleared up with some aggressive cleaning, but thought I'd mention it. I would not be surprised to find that the Ruger .22s have an edge in durability.
I am casually interested in acquiring a second .22, a longer-barreled version for real snotty accuracy, put a red-dot scope on it. I love the looks of the brand new Ruger Mk-IIIs, but like all the new Ruger semi-auto pistols they are flagrantly, annoyingly over-safetied. Bleah. I fear I will have to stick to Ruger's fine revolvers from now on. And I will probably go with a Buck Mark Bullseye or a S&W 41 for my next .22.
I have a Buck Mark Plus with a 5.5" barrel and like it a lot. Splendid trigger out of the box, easy to shoot accurately, looks good. I also like the Buck Mark's 1911-style grip compared to more sharply raked grips.
My pistol has lately gotten a bit finicky about chambering the first round; after racking the slide back I sometimes have to give it an extra tap to close it. It then shoots fine. I am not convinced this can't be cleared up with some aggressive cleaning, but thought I'd mention it. I would not be surprised to find that the Ruger .22s have an edge in durability.
I am casually interested in acquiring a second .22, a longer-barreled version for real snotty accuracy, put a red-dot scope on it. I love the looks of the brand new Ruger Mk-IIIs, but like all the new Ruger semi-auto pistols they are flagrantly, annoyingly over-safetied. Bleah. I fear I will have to stick to Ruger's fine revolvers from now on. And I will probably go with a Buck Mark Bullseye or a S&W 41 for my next .22.
P95Carry
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P. Plainsman - caseydog has found that lube is important - re that chambering deal. A small app' of oil helped but it dissipated too quick. He has now lubed with a judicious amount of a grease .. something slick (gun-slick?) - darned if I remember! This keeps things much better.
I must say too - my 22/45 does not like getting too ''dry'' ... tho it is awful easy to just go on shooting and never do anything to it!!
I must say too - my 22/45 does not like getting too ''dry'' ... tho it is awful easy to just go on shooting and never do anything to it!!
AZ Jeff
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For all you Buckmark owners, I have a question:
Can the Buckmark be dry-fired extensively without damage to the pistol in any way? I know the Ruger can, but I am curious about the Buckmark............
Can the Buckmark be dry-fired extensively without damage to the pistol in any way? I know the Ruger can, but I am curious about the Buckmark............
Igloodude
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My wife shoots a Ruger 22/45 and my stepdaughter shoots a Buckmark Micro in our bullseye league. I've seen no problems with either of them, but I'm not tempted to shoot either of theirs instead of my Model 41.
P. Plainsman
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P95 -- thanks for the tip; I hoped someone would chime in.
Think a good dose of Break Free on the rails would work? I keep my SIG lubed with that stuff.
AZ Jeff -- I can't speak from experience but I sure don't dry-fire my Buck Mark.
Think a good dose of Break Free on the rails would work? I keep my SIG lubed with that stuff.
AZ Jeff -- I can't speak from experience but I sure don't dry-fire my Buck Mark.
Flashpoint
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A little off subject, but I'd like some insite as to how the Trailside plays into the mix.
Babalouie
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I had a Buckmark and I loved the trigger and grip but... I absolutely couldn't stand the serrations and top slide design. It was so difficult to pinch the slide hard enough to get the slide back without my fingers slipping off. It was so annoying I sold it and was sorry I hadn't bought the ruger.
AZ Jeff
If you remove the firing pin assembly, you can. It's pretty easy, as it's part of the basic cleaning procedures.
There don't seem to be many good .22 snap-caps, and this is even safer, if anything (can't shoot anything when the firing pin assembly is sitting on your desk in front of you!).
Just don't lose it.
If you remove the firing pin assembly, you can. It's pretty easy, as it's part of the basic cleaning procedures.
There don't seem to be many good .22 snap-caps, and this is even safer, if anything (can't shoot anything when the firing pin assembly is sitting on your desk in front of you!).
Just don't lose it.
Ala Dan
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I have a Buckmark Classic Plus SE, with a green TruGlo fiber optic front
sight, 5.5" barrel, and rosewood laminate grips. Its the new model that
is offered to Browning's full line and medallion dealer's ONLY. We got 3
of 'em, and I was fortunate to latch on to one! 
BTW, I would not dry fire a Buckmark with the firing pin assembly in
place, cuz its strikes the rear of the barrel making a small but nasty
divot.
sight, 5.5" barrel, and rosewood laminate grips. Its the new model that
is offered to Browning's full line and medallion dealer's ONLY. We got 3
of 'em, and I was fortunate to latch on to one!
BTW, I would not dry fire a Buckmark with the firing pin assembly in
place, cuz its strikes the rear of the barrel making a small but nasty
divot.
Matt Sutton
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I've found that a used diabetes blood meter test strip placed between the breech face and bolt makes a great cheap dryfiring tool. One strip can absorb several hunderd strikes in my buckmark before replacement. They are thin enough that the bolt is still in battery. My breech face is still as good as new.
Babalouie,
You must have had an older Buckmark. The current ones have "ears" on the bolt very simillar to the Rugers. The serrations are basically cosmetic now. My friend has an older Buckmark without the ears, and I agree it makes it hard to pull back.
Babalouie,
You must have had an older Buckmark. The current ones have "ears" on the bolt very simillar to the Rugers. The serrations are basically cosmetic now. My friend has an older Buckmark without the ears, and I agree it makes it hard to pull back.
MrTuffPaws
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No, you cannot dry fire a Buckmark without pinging the barrel. Get some dummy rounds.
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The dry fire question is a good one! I have had two Buckmarks (still have one). This one I bought from a fried who didn't believe that dry firing would hurt a gun. The firing pin was mushroomed when I got the gun, 
(it still shot and cycled great) and the recoil buffer was literally gone. The top strap screw was jammed into the barrel. All things considered, it was a mess. However, I had a gunsmith completely rebuild action for under $50.00! That included all the recoil spring and snap ring, the recoil buffer, firing pin, and new topstrap screws! I would say it is a conservative estimate that I have personally shot in excess of 5000 rounds since the repair work without any problems to speak of. The main thing I have against these guns is that the screwed on topstrap is prone to loosening up after around 400 rounds. I carry a hex wrench with me at the range to keep it tight. If any of you know where I could get a conversion kit to 17M2 I'd like to hear about it.
(it still shot and cycled great) and the recoil buffer was literally gone. The top strap screw was jammed into the barrel. All things considered, it was a mess. However, I had a gunsmith completely rebuild action for under $50.00! That included all the recoil spring and snap ring, the recoil buffer, firing pin, and new topstrap screws! I would say it is a conservative estimate that I have personally shot in excess of 5000 rounds since the repair work without any problems to speak of. The main thing I have against these guns is that the screwed on topstrap is prone to loosening up after around 400 rounds. I carry a hex wrench with me at the range to keep it tight. If any of you know where I could get a conversion kit to 17M2 I'd like to hear about it.- Status