Bug-Out/Emergency or Truck/Car Rifle

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Bug out is one thing, travel is another. Many states prohibit "assault" weapons, mags with over ten round capacity, loaded guns in cars, weapons not in inaccessible cases, guns and ammo not separated, non permit handgun carriers, etc. In some states it only takes one evil aspect to legally become an assault weapon.

Be careful what you travel with and know local laws or be prepared for the consequences. If it's a bug out situation, I guess you consider taking chances.
 
I believe a lever gun or a shotgun with a tubular magazine is legal in all 48 states. But the correct answer is a handgun in this case. You need other stuff (like shelter and water) more than you need firepower. If you have a gun in your trunk but not a tarp and a LifeStraw then you’re living a fantasy.
 
A lever gun seems pretty hard to beat. Not as tactical or cool looking as an AR, but plenty fast and powerful with good range and they're as non-threatening looking as a firearm can be, and they should be legal everywhere. The go-to gun I keep in our bedroom is a Marlin 30-30 with an extra 10 rounds loaded on the stock. The guns I always have along either with me or at least in the truck are a couple of 9mm handguns.
 
I built an AR for my TaeKwon-Do instructor... he wanted something he could put in a normal duffle bag. I came up with a 16" AR with a folding stock... it was workable if not a bit cumbersome. The end result was what he wanted, so he was happy. I don't remember what the OAL was folded up, but it was pretty handy.

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cheygriz said:
Take a hard look at the FN PS-90. I keep it, and three 50 round magazines in a heavy duty canvas bag that my daughter-in-law made especially for it. She sewed a large "DeWalt" logo on the side of the bag.:p
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I have a real curiosity of the PS-90. When I go out to Las Vegas in December, I'm going to rent a full-auto P-90 just to see what it's like. Never been a big fan of bullpups or other odd stock designs, I don't know why I'm so kuku over this thing...
 
AlexanderA said:
The risk of having a gun stolen out of my car/truck is far greater than the risk of having to use it. Therefore I leave my guns at home unless I have a specific reason to transport them, such as going to a range, reenactment, gun shop, or gun show.
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Substitute the word “home” for “car” and the same is likely true. The downside of not having a gun when you need it trumps the downside of having a gun stolen IMO. I have more than enough spares.

FWIW I have had guns stolen in a home burglary, but have never had my vehicle broken into.
 
I live in the country but drive to down-town Cinci every day for work. I keep a stainless 10/22 behind the seat of my truck, next to two loaded 25 round mags, the stock 10 rounder and a brick of .22's. My rear seat isn't supposed to fold down, but I modified it with a hidden latch so I feel pretty good about it's safety. I also keep some water, granola, change of clothes and shoes, wool blanket and some other camping related odds and ends and a set of tools under the seat.

Believe it or not, I've had emergencies where I've had to use that gun twice! Once I stopped at a buddy's house and we went on an impromptu squirrel hunt. Another time I was at a friend's house and we decided to plink a little in his backyard while chatting. I had originally thought about keeping my Hi Point carbine in my truck, but those two instances have led me to believe that a .22 is the right choice!
 
The PS90 is a great gun, I have one and love it, but its spendy. I lucked out and got mine new and I only have $600 in it, not counting the red dot sight and light. I would never store it in my vehicle for local use, its more of a "road trip" gun, and it fits in my black civilian internal frame backpack. I would never pay the 1.5K asking price for this thing. If I didn't have the PS90, I would be using a AR pistol with KAK brace for this application. My "normal" vehicle guns is my H&R pump in my jeep, and a old marlin 30-30 in my truck. The next 12 gauge partner pump, maverick, or similar 12 gauge with a 20" or less barrel I find cheap will replace the 30-30 in the truck. If a cheap shotgun gets stolen, I will be more upset about the window that was broken to facilitate the theft than the loss of the gun.
 
Elkins45 said:
Substitute the word “home” for “car” and the same is likely true. The downside of not having a gun when you need it trumps the downside of having a gun stolen IMO. I have more than enough spares.

FWIW I have had guns stolen in a home burglary, but have never had my vehicle broken into.
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I have never had either my home or my vehicle broken into (knock on wood). But they are not the same. A house is easier to harden than a car. And a car can be stolen in its entirety, and stripped at leisure. Obviously the same cannot be said about a house.

I don't consider any of my guns to be "spares" and a loss would be significant. On the other hand, because of my lifestyle (retired and living in an extremely safe suburban neighborhood) the danger of being mugged on the street is minimal. You balance these risks. (I have only been mugged once in my entire life. In 1999, I was the victim of a gang of pickpockets on the subway in Athens, Greece. Even if I had had a gun -- something that was impossible under the circumstances -- it wouldn't have done me a bit of good. In fact the gun itself would have been the first thing that would have been stolen.)
 
If its not just a truck gun, but also a bug out or emergency rifle, then weight and length of rifle and weight of ammo become considerations. As soon as you have to leave your vehicle or your home or your city, weight of everything is an issue if you are on foot. A small, light .22 is far more practical as a bug out gun. The idea of fighting your way through a crowd of hostile people is a dark fantasy. Having a firearm that will help you E&E while trying to make your way to safety is a better plan. A 3 or 4 pound rifle with 200 rounds of .22 will last you longer and have more utility as a game-getter than a .223 or pistol caliber carbine.
 
jamesjames said:
If its not just a truck gun, but also a bug out or emergency rifle, then weight and length of rifle and weight of ammo become considerations. As soon as you have to leave your vehicle or your home or your city, weight of everything is an issue if you are on foot. A small, light .22 is far more practical as a bug out gun. The idea of fighting your way through a crowd of hostile people is a dark fantasy. Having a firearm that will help you E&E while trying to make your way to safety is a better plan. A 3 or 4 pound rifle with 200 rounds of .22 will last you longer and have more utility as a game-getter than a .223 or pistol caliber carbine.
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The one time I have ever had to use my carry gun was when a friend took out a deer with her Honda Accord. The deer had 4 mangled legs and was twitching at the side of the road. A 380 from my LCP through the eye socket dispatched the deer instantly. I would guess a .22lr would also... and you would have multiple shots with a .22lr.... just thinking out loud.
 
Most backpacks look kinda tactical. I wanted to keep this so it wasn't obvious/suspicious what it was. For my regular travel stuff (extra mags, flashlights, etc) I use a computer laptop case. It goes with me in/out the motel. For the rifle I tried the tent bag and a 2 racket tennis bag. I was also thinking of a guitar or large violin case. Problem is those might in indicate "valuable". The yoga bag indicates... stinky-smelly. And if I carry it in with me when checking in, I make sure to inquire about their Gym facilities and classes.

I have a Pathfinder with the optional 3rd row. With that row folded down (normal position for us - empty nesters) this gun (any gun) tucks neatly behind the second row and under the third. I can always put a safety cable and lock on it if I want extra protection, but smash and grab thieves I don't think will search behind/under the 2nd row.

The eventual use of this rifle will probably never happen. But then my fire insurance may never be needed either. And yes, when visiting my BIL we broke it out and took it to the local range.

I'm constantly re-evaluating this. Here's a picture of the tools I now carry. No oil or patches, which are easy to find. But I have now included a Tapco spanner wrench. And I have a small parts kit of some of the springs and pins most common for an AR. The Allen wrenches are for the grip and the fore-end. YMMV.


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Travel first and civil disorder second, had me assemble the setup shown here: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/cz-805-bren-ar-pistol-in-a-backpack.839587/

The backpack lets me carry the pistol with my hands free. Plus, there's room for other bugout items.

The pistol fits in the bag with a thirty round magazine inserted. I place it inside with an empty chamber and the safety on. The front panel unzips to reveal MOLLE attachments. I used them to attach magazine pouches and a bag.

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jmorris said:
No need to keep up with mags.

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The M1919A4/6 Brownings are supposed to have the barrel jacket secured to the trunnion threads with silver (or regular) solder. Some are not. In any case, the solder can be removed by applying enough heat. Once unsoldered, the barrel jacket can be unscrewed. Thus disassembled, the gun can fit inside a briefcase. I have actually carried an M1919 in one briefcase, and the ammo in another.
 
Skylerbone said:
I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade but even in my current condition as a middle-aged man I can dern near cover 100 yards of flat terrain in 10 seconds. Honestly speaking I have no idea how long it takes, but I recall it was around 12 or 13 seconds back in high school and I can still flat outrun my 14 year olds in a game of tag, one of them runs track.
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"The current men's world record is 9.58 seconds, set by Jamaica's Usain Bolt in 2009, while the women's world record of 10.49 seconds set by American Florence Griffith-Joyner in 1988 remains unbroken."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres

I think that might be a little optimistic.
 
Let's not forget the often misunderstood fact that you would never actually bug OUT, but you would bug IN, meaning fight your way back to your well stocked and well protected homestead, making the better name for this type of gun, perhaps, the "Get Home Rifle". There is reason for this type of gun, in my view, even absent game harvest, and that oi crazy public shooters wearing body armor. Google the Tyler TX courthouse shooting to see what I mean (what happens when a handgun wielding good samaritan CCW holder confronts a rifle-and-SBA-wielding maniac).
 
Most backpacks look kinda tactical. I wanted to keep this so it wasn't obvious/suspicious what it was.
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I picked up a golf bag hard case out of someone’s trash, it will hold a half dozen rifles in soft cases inside.
 
Corpral_Agarn said:
The current men's world record is 9.58 seconds, set by Jamaica's Usain Bolt in 2009, while the women's world record of 10.49 seconds set by American Florence Griffith-Joyner in 1988 remains unbroken."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres
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Those are the record holders for 100 meters, not yards. Perusing Iowa’s IHSAA State records shows 10.1 sec as the State record for a HS boy in the 100 yard dash and the difference between that and a man in reasonable shape isn’t as big a gap as you’d think. I also said “dern near”. If you spotted me at 50 yards you’d better have it assembled already. If you spotted me at all, I’d be the one who never took mine apart and already had it loaded (not that I would incite you to shoot).

Point being, there’s very little time to react if you don’t have a firearm ready to draw and shoot.
 
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