"Bulge carrying" is the best of both worlds
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rhenriksen
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"I understand that the plural of anecdote is not data..."
That is one nice phrase! I'll have to remember that.
I live in Texas. I've had my CHL all of 4 days now. I don't know how often I'd open carry, ***if given permission to have the choice***, but I'd still like to be free to make that choice myself.
That is one nice phrase! I'll have to remember that.
I live in Texas. I've had my CHL all of 4 days now. I don't know how often I'd open carry, ***if given permission to have the choice***, but I'd still like to be free to make that choice myself.
Gryffydd
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Nor do they give you the means of keeping themselves. Your watch is not a threat to them. Your gun is. There are thousands of people they could rob that won't be carrying guns. They'll just wait 5 minutes and get the next person who comes along.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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I'd prefer a well concealed cary. Not open. Not "bulged." Well concealed, regardless of if my state allowed open carry.
Why? I don't want everyone to know I have a gun on me. I want the wrong person to find out.
Why? I don't want everyone to know I have a gun on me. I want the wrong person to find out.
TexasRifleman
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Logos said:
Again with this claim, and of course when you are asked to show where it has ever actually happened you can't, claiming only "well it will, but it doesn't because no one open carries".
Which is clearly false. OC is pretty common in many states, despite your claim that it only happens in rural areas.
Facts vs fear mongering.
Here's a thread with pictures from a recent OC picnic in Virginia, just last weekend.
Nope, OSC never happens. Only in the woods huh?
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=466154
Interesting that the subject of open carry brings up more fear mongering from supposed "pro gun" people than it does from the anti's.
Logos
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Talk about open carry is pretty common in internet forums.
Actual open carry? I never see it in normal day to day activities. At all.
Open carry parties? Yes, I've heard of them. They are special events......and they don't change the fact that I never see anybody openly carrying in normal day to day activities.
If as many people open carried as is claimed on internet forums we'd see them every day.
We don't.
They don't.
TexasRifleman
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They do, you just don't live where it's common, or you live around people like you that some how either fear it, or avoid it for some other reason.
Since you don't list your state it's hard to tell.
As you admitted in the other thread where you are bashing those that open carry, you don't know much about it for sure.
Just be open and honest. You don't like OC, you disagree with it and feel like it's bad for 2A. That's fine.
But don't make up statistics and supposed dangers to those that OC unless you have some facts behind you.
And you don't.
Logos
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The fact is: I don't see any open carry.
Never have.
The fact is: I read about incidents where citizens have called the cops about open carry and the person with the gun has been checked out by the police (who already have more than enough to do).
Thus I conclude that open carry is rare but does cause problems where it is practiced.
Why do people call the police when they see someone with a gun?
Because they are afraid it's a kook who is going to start shooting a bunch of people.
I understand how they feel, given the number of incidents where people have shot up shopping centers, schools and fast food places.
Those are the facts.
Never have.
The fact is: I read about incidents where citizens have called the cops about open carry and the person with the gun has been checked out by the police (who already have more than enough to do).
Thus I conclude that open carry is rare but does cause problems where it is practiced.
Why do people call the police when they see someone with a gun?
Because they are afraid it's a kook who is going to start shooting a bunch of people.
I understand how they feel, given the number of incidents where people have shot up shopping centers, schools and fast food places.
Those are the facts.
Logos
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One more fact.
If I see somebody open carrying......I WILL call the cops and have him checked out.
If I see somebody open carrying......I WILL call the cops and have him checked out.
TexasRifleman
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Not knowing where you live, that doesn't mean much. Is it legal where you are?
I live in Texas so I never see it here.
I do see it all over Arizona when I go there, in fact I carry openly every time I go to Arizona and no one ever seems to notice.
Our personal feelings and observations on this don't count for much though, we have to look at what actually happens nationwide.
When we do that, there isn't much out there to support the idea that OC is a major disruption, that is causes harm to the pro 2A movement, or frankly that the "average Joe" even notices that it's going on.
It comes up on gun forums on the Internet, but there seems to be VERY little in the media about it. If it was a real problem it would seem that the anti media would be all over it.
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dirt_j00
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Thank you for being anti. <sarcasm>
Logos
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Not anti.......just a good citizen who has common sense.
dirt_j00
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Logos Common Sense:
Call the cops when you see someone going about their normal life engaging in legal activities.
Call the cops when you see someone going about their normal life engaging in legal activities.
TexasRifleman
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Common sense would indicate that your feelings are based on some kind of factual evidence. You have none, at all.
So you can't say that it's "common sense" if what you state goes against pretty much all the factual evidence.
What you feel is "gut feeling" or "fear" or whatever you want to call it, but it cannot be common sense, by definition.
At least be honest or this is all a waste of time.
We are all more than happy to debate this based on some kind of reality, but so far I have seen none from those claiming OC causes harm.
If it does, show some evidence.
Logos
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And yes, it is legal where I live.
Yes, it rarely happens and the person is almost invariably reported to the police and checked out.
It's the responsible thing to do in today's world.
Those are the facts.
Yes, it rarely happens and the person is almost invariably reported to the police and checked out.
It's the responsible thing to do in today's world.
Those are the facts.
Gryffydd
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More like a nosy busybody with an irrational fear of armed people.
Logos
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No, call the cops when you see a man carrying a gun in a public place.
He may be a terrorist. He may be a nut. He may intend to shoot up a shopping center.
Common sense.
dirt_j00
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The "responsible thing to do in today's world" is for people to be able to adequately defend themselves from criminals, without worrying about being stabbed in the back by other gunnies.
Gryffydd
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Which is a legal activity...
Every time somebody gets into a car they may run over a stroller in a cross walk. They may plow into a school bus. If you go around and worry about what people may do all the time you've got a problem. Carrying a gun is as legal as driving a car (more so, actually). What makes it your business that somebody is exercising their right?
Logos
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Wrong again.....in today's world, a man carrying a gun in a public place is a valid reason for calling the cops. A RATIONAL concern and a obvious need for the professionals to check out.
He could be a terrorist or a nut who lost his job and decides to shoot up a shopping center......this has been happening more and more often in recent years.
Common sense.
Logos
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Ah, but driving a car is a normal part of everyday life......but a man openly displaying a gun in a public place is not.
And never will be.
BossHaug
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Here in Show Low, Arizona, I see people open carrying all the time. They carry in restaurants, grocery stores, the car wash, Wal-Mart (gosh!). Nobody cares. Nobody calls the police. I CCW all the time, and sometimes when I carry my 1911 outside the belt covered with a shirt, it is visible. Nobody cares about that either. We don't call the police everytime we see a citizen going about his legal business. When I visit the valley (Phoenix metropoliton area), I see OC there too. No big deal.
TexasRifleman
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At least we finally have it out in the open.
You offer no facts, but you offer "common sense" gun control. We know where that line of thinking originates. "Common sense" to you means any time that guns are available to private citizens it's cause for concern and a need to involve law enforcement.
At least we know what we're dealing with now. This is the standard "anti" mantra.
Gryffydd
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It isnt'? Weird.
The uniform is nothing but clothes, the career is nothing but a job.
Logos
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You obviously don't have a clue what common sense means to me.
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