"Bulge carrying" is the best of both worlds

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How does that pertain to the Texas law against open carry, please.
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All gun laws are racist in origin. All of them.

You may not believe it, you may wish it were otherwise, but it is true.

The original US gun law simply says "shall not be infringed". The states are the ones that added restrictions first, and all of them are race based.
 
Can we get back on topic before it gets locked? Bulge carry is not OC, so let's drop it. One of you guys can beat a dead horse about the good and bad things that come with OCing in a new thread. Let's keep this one about bulge carry.
 
Open carry should be illegal because it would unduly burden LE due to MWAG calls.
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Yes, if it does, it probably will.

No doubt that's why it's illegal in Texas......with large urban areas involved, I'm sure they saw it as a can of worms they just didn't want to open up.

The suggestion (as has been posted here earlier) that it was for racist motives is ludicrous.

It's purely common sense and I agree with it.
 
As long as we're really discussing "bulge carry," don't many places have penalties for incompetent concealment?

There seems to be a fine line between open carry and incompetent concealment.
 
As long as we're really discussing "bulge carry," don't many places have penalties for incompetent concealment?
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As already discussed earlier in the thread, most states don't define a "bulge" as being a crime. Most states seem to have wording to the effect that "intentional failure to conceal" is the problem.

It would seem to me that an unidentifiable bulge is "concealed". That's really the only debatable thing, what is the actual definition of "concealed".

How does one know the bulge is a gun and not a cell phone or insulin pump?

People talk about "printing" but that is kind of an out there made up term. You won't find that codified in law in any state that I am aware of.

If the bulge is clearly without a doubt a gun then that's probably not "concealed", but where is the line?

Is the irrational fear of guns so out of control that anyone with a bump under their clothing is now a suspect?

You allow the cops to start searching anyone with an unidentifiable bulge for a gun you're likely to end up in a HIPAA lawsuit before a gun rights lawsuit.
 
I agree. As long as you can't tell whether the bulge is a gun or a phone.....who cares?

If they get called, the cops will figure out if it's flagrant or intentional.
 
If someone is charged when open carry is legal, the charge is usually "disturbing the peace" or something like that. It seems to me that the person calling the police and making a fuss about someone else doing something that is perfectly legal is the one "disturbng the peace." That guy should be the one arrested.
 
So far as Bulge carry goes...I guess it's all a matter of degrees. I usually have some amount of bulge when I carry, however, it's not a bulge that is immediately recognizable as a gun. I'm sure that the one half of one percent of people that even notice the bulge don't assume it's a gun when there's so many other more common things it might be. However, it does leave me with 2 things: fairly quick access to my weapon, and a full size 1911. If I ever need it, I'll be glad I have it and not a little .380 pocket pistol.
 
If someone is charged when open carry is legal, the charge is usually "disturbing the peace" or something like that. It seems to me that the person calling the police and making a fuss about someone else doing something that is perfectly legal is the one "disturbng the peace." That guy should be the one arrested.
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LOL!

Doesn't happen that way, though.

:D
 
"Bulge carrying" is not in the spirit of the law. Here in Florida the law states concealed; to hide a person or thing: to put or keep something or somebody out of sight or prevent the person or thing from being found. What purpose does it communicate to the surrounding people who observe the bulge. First, most people would think you are some kind of a nut and call the cops. Second, the BG would know who to shoot first. Third, If the LE types observe the bulge they will give you a hassle and IMO rightly so.
Everyone that I know goes to great lengths to conceal their weapons so that it is next to impossible to be seen by others or accidently seen by others. Common Sense; good judgment: sound practical judgment derived from experience rather than study.
 
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hat purpose does it communicate to the surrounding people who observe the bulge.
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You make the assumption that I think a lot of people make, that the average Joe sees "gun" when he sees a lump.

I think you will find that outside of the shooting community the average guy doesn't see a gun when he sees that same lump.

We look at it with a bias I think.

Same with the little fanny pack things. Most gun people see them and it screams "GUN!". Most average people see them and it screams "DORK!"
 
If someone is charged when open carry is legal, the charge is usually "disturbing the peace" or something like that. It seems to me that the person calling the police and making a fuss about someone else doing something that is perfectly legal is the one "disturbng the peace." That guy should be the one arrested.
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In Texas you can OC a long arm (I think) if it is not done in a way so as to cause alarm (or something like that).
I'd love to walk around with a deer rifle strapped to my back.

But it would likely not end well.
 
Let me jump in on this one.

I open carry, look scruffy sometimes, but most folks think I'm an LEO. When my kid is with me and we go to eat, by law I have to open carry because of the alcohol law.

I don't bulge carry because on my frame, it would look really bad. So I just OC or CC if I'm going somewhere shady or where the folks may "treat" me as biker trash or anywhere close to work. I don't want my co-workers yappin at work and causing me undue stress by HR.
 
I glanced thru the thread and didn't see anything about us old geezers who obviously are not LEO OC. When I do it, it is very obvious that I am not LEO, so I just go ahead and do it, although I personally feel that CC is a better option.
 
I'm not sure California's law have a reason..
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Probably true LOL.

I'll rephrase it to say the original gun controls in this country was race based, then it expanded to the insanity we have today, how's that?
 
My thought has always been this: Open carry protects you, concealed carry protects everybody. I understand the point of open carry, I don't understand the point of giving bad guys free data. It's great if a criminal decides not to rob the store (right now), because you're at the counter with a gun on your hip; it would be better if he had to wonder about whether every single customer, employee, or passerby was packing.
 
I call it "CIPS" carry personally (pronounced "sips") - Concealed In Plain Sight. And I agree it's a great way to carry - *IF* you're not self-conscious about doing it.
 
My thought has always been this: Open carry protects you, concealed carry protects everybody. I understand the point of open carry, I don't understand the point of giving bad guys free data. It's great if a criminal decides not to rob the store (right now), because you're at the counter with a gun on your hip; it would be better if he had to wonder about whether every single customer, employee, or passerby was packing.
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+1

It's the same principal as not having gun bumper stickers on your vehicle.
 
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