Bull Elk Taken @ 248 Yards with a Renegade

[arcticap]

idahoron killed a nice bull elk at 248 yards with his fast twist .50 Renegade shooting a 458 grain Lee paper patched bullet, 80 grains of Pyrodex P and an over powder wad.
What a shot!
Photo thread: --->>> https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/424181-my-2020-elk-hunt.html#post4382069

 

[BreechFace]

Excellent shot, and good on the hunter to recognize a hurt animal and give him an honorable death. Reminds me of a hunt my buddy talked about where another younger hunter in his party had killed a sow bear, only to find out she had a cub. My friend tagged out taking the bear cub as he didn’t want it to suffer without his mama. Was a hard shot for him to take on a bear cub.

Nice southern Idaho landscape!

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

That's a heck of a shot and a nice elk too.

 

[BullRunBear]

arcticap,
Thanks for passing along that story. Talk about a positive day! Hunting with a son in beautiful territory, making a phenomenal shot, keeping a wounded animal from a painful and lingering death, a huge trophy and plenty of meat. I appreciated how idahoron included the spent bullet and how well it performed.

I'll never look at my old Renegade the same way.

Jeff

 

[arcticap]

And he said that he waited 20 years for the tag.....that was a shot worth waiting for.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

That shot was a beautiful work of art!

 

[edwardware]

Now that is shooting, and a wonderful story too!

 

[J-Bar]

Great story! Thanks for the link. And further proof that it doesn’t take 150 grains of powder to do the job!

 

[Loyalist Dave]

idahoron killed a nice bull elk at 248 yards with his fast twist .50 Renegade shooting a 458 grain Lee paper patched bullet, 80 grains of Pyrodex P and an over powder wad.
What a shot!

Way too far for me and mine. I bow to such a shot. 'Tis the stuff that gives birth to legend!

LD

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Way too far for me and mine.

Agreed.
I'd have a hard time doing that with my modern ML with a scope, let alone a Hawken with irons.

Out west though, sometimes you're lucky to get even that close.

 

[arcticap]

Agreed.
I'd have a hard time doing that with my modern ML with a scope, let alone a Hawken with irons.

Out west though, sometimes you're lucky to get even that close.

Looking at photos of idahoron's other successful hunts, his Renegade has aperture sights.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

..., his Renegade has aperture sights.

for me, beyond 150 yards, that's simply more expense, still with a miss...

I mean I can hit a target with a peep sight out to 500 yards, shooting prone with a nice, tight sling, but the grouping isn't acceptable to ensure a hit in the vitals for a humane harvest on a large game animal. Even at 300 yards with the same sights, the group isn't what I'd judge as acceptable for hunting, and that was with high velocity, modern ammunition. I'm surely not Matthew Quigley.

LD

 

[arcticap]

for me, beyond 150 yards, that's simply more expense, still with a miss...

I mean I can hit a target with a peep sight out to 500 yards, shooting prone with a nice, tight sling, but the grouping isn't acceptable to ensure a hit in the vitals for a humane harvest on a large game animal. Even at 300 yards with the same sights, the group isn't what I'd judge as acceptable for hunting, and that was with high velocity, modern ammunition. I'm surely not Matthew Quigley.

LD

Idahoron has been shooting the same paper patched .50 bullets for a number of years.
I believe that he said that he sights in at 150 yards and regularly practices shooting at 200, and must be familiar with the bullet trajectory beyond that.
Before then he was paper patching .45 bullets for use with the same gun only with a different Green Mountain fast twist barrel.
He passed that .45 barrel on to Idaholewis who shot the 8 inch group at 825 yards using paper patched bullets. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ds-with-a-muzzle-loader.871606/#post-11568718

One fact that shouldn't be overlooked is that idahoron loads with Pryodex P which shows that powder can perform extremely well.
On the other hand Idaholewis was loading 85 grains of Swiss 2F.
The difference between hunting and target shooting is that the hunter is not concerned with shooting groups as much as harvesting the animal.
If the hunter doesn't take the shot then he'll lose the chance to harvest it.
Shooting those larger conicals increases the chance that a hit will result in a kill.
Idahoron's shot may not have been perfect but it was good enough to bag the animal, which is why hunting is a sport that involves meeting the challenge when making the shot is possible.
The probabilities are just like completing any long touchdown pass, or swinging at a pitch and getting a hit.
But many folks miss making a lot closer and much more certain shots on large game all of the time, I know that I have.

 

[red rick]

This makes me want to shoot my Renegade . I bought one for a good price about 7 years ago and still have not shot it . Muzzleloader season starts here in about 2 more weeks .

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

This is an amazing shot done by a guy who truly knows his equipment and his abilities.
Once again, I am impressed and in Awe ...

 

[red rick]

Let me get some help from y’all . I bought my Renegade used , so no manual or nipple wrench .

I have ffg and fffg black goex black powder . What powder would you use for hunting and max charge .

I am assuming I use #11 caps if the nipple has not been changed .

Do you use lubed patches or dry ?

What nipple wrench ?

Do you put the flat spot on the ball on the bottom ?

Mine is .54 caliber , with a 1-48 . I know not the best for round ball or anything .

I have bought from track of the wolf .

 

[brewer12345]

Let me get some help from y’all . I bought my Renegade used , so no manual or nipple wrench .

I have ffg and fffg black goex black powder . What powder would you use for hunting and max charge .

I am assuming I use #11 caps if the nipple has not been changed .

Do you use lubed patches or dry ?

What nipple wrench ?

Do you put the flat spot on the ball on the bottom ?

Mine is .54 caliber , with a 1-48 . I know not the best for round ball or anything .

I have bought from track of the wolf .

Yes #11 caps. You could try either powder, I would start with 60 grains and work up. If you get to a good grouping before 100 grains you are in the zone.

Lived patches are what I use. Put the sprue on the bottom or top of the ball.

Some tc barrels require an over powder was to shoot well. I buy prelubed wonder wads for this.

 

[JJFitch]

What great story and nice shot!

I'm hooked on the events from around 1740 to 1840! I've amassed a collection of biographies, historical narratives and first hand accounts.

Right now I'm reading about the history of the Second Amendment. The first battle of the Revolution was fought to prevent the British from seizing the arms and ammunition in Lexington and Concord. Of course the Minuteman were using flint lock "lock, stock and barrels"! In the Brits "after action report" General Gage stated that the "rabble" were under estimated as to marksmanship and bravery!

The following two years was the building of the Continental Army. There were so many good marksman that in order to get the best of the best designated "Riflemen" there were matches to pick the best! Targets were set at distances to 250 yards! These "riflemen" were designated to take out the British Officers! The British were appalled at this tactic!

Shooting to 200-250 yards at targets as small as the human torso or head at that time in history came as a complete surprise to me !

The beginning of guerilla warfare, sharpshooters and snipers!!

P.S.: Idaho is a great place for outdoorsman. My daughter living in the "panhandle" has elk in her backyard this time of year! 's

 

[arcticap]

Let me get some help from y’all . I bought my Renegade used , so no manual or nipple wrench .

You're the winner of a free TC Sidelock Manual: --->>> https://www.scribd.com/document/321169256/Shooting-TC-Side-Lock-Black-Powder-Guns

I have ffg and fffg black goex black powder . What powder would you use for hunting and max charge .

I would use 10% less 3F powder rather than 10% more 2F powder.
Unless the 2F powder proves to be more accurate.

There's .54 max. charges in the manual of up to 120 grains of 2F, for only one single projectile.
Otherwise its generally 110 grains of powder.

What matters most is whether the first shot out of a cold clean barrel will hit the target.
The 3F should burn cleaner and with less chance of a hangfire or misfire.
The trick is to make sure that the bore is absolutely clean and dry before you load it for hunting.

I am assuming I use #11 caps if the nipple has not been changed .

Some folks use #11 magnum caps for a little extra ignition boost for hunting.
But make sure that they will fit tight enough on the nipple to not fall off because they have more primer compound in them.

Do you use lubed patches or dry ?

Lubed patches. But I would only use a dry wool wad underneath when hunting because it may stay in the bore in contact with the powder for a week or 10 days.

What nipple wrench ?

A rifle nipple wrench that fits #11 nipples, and not a musket wrench or a revolver wrench.
A single shot pistol wrench and a rifle wrench are basically the same.

Do you put the flat spot on the ball on the bottom ?

No. The sprue goes on top in the northern hemisphere, so you can visibly check that it's centered and it remains consistent when loading every time.

Mine is .54 caliber , with a 1-48 . I know not the best for round ball or anything .
I have bought from track of the wolf .

Don't let the deer know that.
And don't be afraid to use the 2F powder because it may be more accurate, but then be sure to try it with the #11 magnum caps for reliability.
Good luck and show us your deer or post a new thread with photos of some test targets or something.
Our advice isn't totally free.

 

[red rick]

I do see any felt wads for anything larger than a .50 caliber and I don’t see a punch .54 to cut your own . What do you use ?

 

[arcticap]

I do see any felt wads for anything larger than a .50 caliber and I don’t see a punch .54 to cut your own . What do you use ?

You can buy .54 wool wads here from the manufacturer.
Dry or lubed.

Dry wads : https://www.emshootingsupplies.com/store/c22/DRY_WOOL_WADS.html#/

All Wads: https://www.emshootingsupplies.com/store/c20/WOOL_WADS.html#/

home page - store: https://www.emshootingsupplies.com/store.html#/

 

[arcticap]

I do see any felt wads for anything larger than a .50 caliber and I don’t see a punch .54 to cut your own . What do you use ?

I didn't notice these before from the same outfit.
They're economy gray smoke wool wads made from recyclied wool fabric.

.54 dry --->>> https://www.emshootingsupplies.com/store/p183/.54_cal..html#/

All gray economy wads --->>> https://www.emshootingsupplies.com/store/c21/ECONOMY_GRAY_SMOKE_WADS.html#/

 

[red rick]

Thanks for the help .

Track of the Wolf had a Hot Shot nipple for cci #11 caps . Do you think it is worth changing from the original nipple ?

 

[brewer12345]

Thanks for the help .

Track of the Wolf had a Hot Shot nipple for cci #11 caps . Do you think it is worth changing from the original nipple ?

At the very least it never hurts to have a spare.

 

[woodnbow]

You're the winner of a free TC Sidelock Manual: --->>> https://www.scribd.com/document/321169256/Shooting-TC-Side-Lock-Black-Powder-Guns



I would use 10% less 3F powder rather than 10% more 2F powder.
Unless the 2F powder proves to be more accurate.

There's .54 max. charges in the manual of up to 120 grains of 2F, for only one single projectile.
Otherwise its generally 110 grains of powder.

What matters most is whether the first shot out of a cold clean barrel will hit the target.
The 3F should burn cleaner and with less chance of a hangfire or misfire.
The trick is to make sure that the bore is absolutely clean and dry before you load it for hunting.



Some folks use #11 magnum caps for a little extra ignition boost for hunting.
But make sure that they will fit tight enough on the nipple to not fall off because they have more primer compound in them.



Lubed patches. But I would only use a dry wool wad underneath when hunting because it may stay in the bore in contact with the powder for a week or 10 days.



A rifle nipple wrench that fits #11 nipples, and not a musket wrench or a revolver wrench.
A single shot pistol wrench and a rifle wrench are basically the same.



No. The sprue goes on top in the northern hemisphere, so you can visibly check that it's centered and it remains consistent when loading every time.



Don't let the deer know that.
And don't be afraid to use the 2F powder because it may be more accurate, but then be sure to try it with the #11 magnum caps for reliability.
Good luck and show us your deer or post a new thread with photos of some test targets or something.
Our advice isn't totally free.

Hmmm does the sprue go on the bottom in South America?