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Do you know if a book like that exists for highpower rifle?
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This is a stock box pistol, except for grips and the Volquartsen trigger. The owner regularly out shoots me with this pistol in the 22lr stage.
I have seen a lot more Victory and Ruger MKIV's showing up on the firing line. So much so, that Volquartsen has discontinued a number of MKII and MKIII parts. The MKIV is much easier to disassemble and reassemble. I do think the S&W Victory made Ruger get off its butt and improve the MKIII.
After a Clark trigger job, (not in picture) this MKII is absolutely a wonderful pistol. The original trigger had a lot of take up, the pull was creepy, than there was too much over travel. Clark installed one of their triggers, but most importantly, gave me a crisp trigger pull. I am shooting this more often than my M41 because the robust Ruger ignition system reduces the number of misfires, hangfires, and failures to eject.
As for 1911's. we live in great times! There are so many quality 1911's out there singling out one is difficult. Haunting a local gunstore to pick up a used Springfield Range Officer would be a value added task. All you would have to do is test for tightness, barrel in great condition, and try the trigger pull. If the pistol has only had a couple of boxes through it, it has not yet been broken in. And this is more or less true for the Remington R1, which is a very accurate 1911, and since Remington Huntsville is gone, probably showing up used at a discount. Clark recommended to a Bullseye Pistol bud not to replace the Remington barrel as it is as good as any match barrel they could install.
I wish I could hold as well with irons as my Ultra Dot 1911's, because I would like to know if the low cost Tisas 1911, Charles Daily, the GI RIA, and my GI ATI are accurate enough to compete with.
Most of these would be in the black at 25 yards, and all on the target center
I am obviously not in the same league as this shooter
Ernest is far better than me
I do have a story. One Bulleye Bud shot on an Army Divisional Team. The team was issued standard issue 1911's. These pistols were not match tuned, just issue. The team captain was a former USMC Gunny who told all the shooters to pack their 1911 with grease, fire each pistol 500 rounds, and to not clean them! The grease combined with the soot actually tightened up the pistol. And Gunny was right, in that he said if the pistol only held the black, tens and X's would follow.
I have got to say, I am still working on keeping all my 45 rounds on the 50 yard repair center, so holding the black is not an issue for me. And I have a Les Baer Wadcutter that will hold two inches at 50 yards.
As in any competition, if you progress far enough, then you will think you are equipment limited, and that is the time to go buy something god awful expensive. One Master Class Bud I highly respect, claims his Rock River bullseye wadcutter is the most amazing 1911 ever made, and this is the pistol a two time Bullseye National Champion has been recommending to shooters.
this is the sort of purchase that empties checking accounts, so get one, when you need one.
I have seen a lot more Victory and Ruger MKIV's showing up on the firing line. So much so, that Volquartsen has discontinued a number of MKII and MKIII parts. The MKIV is much easier to disassemble and reassemble. I do think the S&W Victory made Ruger get off its butt and improve the MKIII.
After a Clark trigger job, (not in picture) this MKII is absolutely a wonderful pistol. The original trigger had a lot of take up, the pull was creepy, than there was too much over travel. Clark installed one of their triggers, but most importantly, gave me a crisp trigger pull. I am shooting this more often than my M41 because the robust Ruger ignition system reduces the number of misfires, hangfires, and failures to eject.
As for 1911's. we live in great times! There are so many quality 1911's out there singling out one is difficult. Haunting a local gunstore to pick up a used Springfield Range Officer would be a value added task. All you would have to do is test for tightness, barrel in great condition, and try the trigger pull. If the pistol has only had a couple of boxes through it, it has not yet been broken in. And this is more or less true for the Remington R1, which is a very accurate 1911, and since Remington Huntsville is gone, probably showing up used at a discount. Clark recommended to a Bullseye Pistol bud not to replace the Remington barrel as it is as good as any match barrel they could install.
I wish I could hold as well with irons as my Ultra Dot 1911's, because I would like to know if the low cost Tisas 1911, Charles Daily, the GI RIA, and my GI ATI are accurate enough to compete with.
Most of these would be in the black at 25 yards, and all on the target center
I am obviously not in the same league as this shooter
Ernest is far better than me
I do have a story. One Bulleye Bud shot on an Army Divisional Team. The team was issued standard issue 1911's. These pistols were not match tuned, just issue. The team captain was a former USMC Gunny who told all the shooters to pack their 1911 with grease, fire each pistol 500 rounds, and to not clean them! The grease combined with the soot actually tightened up the pistol. And Gunny was right, in that he said if the pistol only held the black, tens and X's would follow.
I have got to say, I am still working on keeping all my 45 rounds on the 50 yard repair center, so holding the black is not an issue for me. And I have a Les Baer Wadcutter that will hold two inches at 50 yards.
As in any competition, if you progress far enough, then you will think you are equipment limited, and that is the time to go buy something god awful expensive. One Master Class Bud I highly respect, claims his Rock River bullseye wadcutter is the most amazing 1911 ever made, and this is the pistol a two time Bullseye National Champion has been recommending to shooters.
this is the sort of purchase that empties checking accounts, so get one, when you need one.
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Shot yesterday my Colt 1911, US GI 100 year anniversary. Nothing match about the gun. I used Winchester 230 ball ammo. I shot 30 rounds. Kept 29 on paper and 28 in the scoring rings at 25 yards. This picture is of a target I used. The holes with pen marks around were there before I used the target.
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Another victim of the "there's always one" syndrome. Just like beginning weight training, the first few sessions you'll see significant improvement. I had some good sessions, then started getting worse. Hopefully that's just a thing I do, not you. Just trying slow fire the first few times I calmed down and stopped being as jittery as I was the first time. I'd pull shots there more often than timed fire. More than once I pulled more in slow fire than rapid fire. It's maddening. Much like a speed bag in boxing, frustration burns calories. I should be down 30 lbs by now.
Looks like your sights need adjusting to the right a couple of clicks. Take away the targets and look just at the group. Your objective should be circular(ish) groups.
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These sights are not adjustable.
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Anybody have any thoughts on the Rock Island Armory Ultra Match 1911?
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/m1911-a1-fs-match-5pro-ultra-match-5-45acp-8rd
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/m1911-a1-fs-match-5pro-ultra-match-5-45acp-8rd
This is one example of the "charts" that bullseye shooters often refer to when things aren't going well:
https://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm
When shots go wide (left for right handed shooters) it's generally attributed to jerking the trigger, or some other shooter induced movement of the pistol while trying to pull, squeeze, or press the trigger straight back. I'm left handed so mine go out the other side.
I'll just throw this out here FWIW.
I have an old (1983) Springfield Armory GI. The gun was an ugly duckling but it shot better than it should for what it was IMHO. It tended to shoot two distinct different groups. Barrel fit was bad. You push down on the hood a lot and slide stop pin was contacting on only one leg. It would struggle to hold the nine ring at 25 yards.
So I freshened the gun up with EGW parts. The slide, frame, barrel, grip safety, thumb safety and magazine release are still original. Everything else was replaced. Now the gun will hold the ten ring at 25 yards and I know the parts aren't going to wear out in my lifetime.
A week ago I bought a Kart Xact fit barrel for my birthday. Shot it yesterday with Speer Lawman 230 grain FMJ ball ammo. It now holds the X ring at 25 yards. I shoot a 100 rounds of ball, check fit on lugs and adjust if needed, then if the rain would stop I'll see what she can do with SWC ammo.
All I have left to do is get a sear jig (I'm too chicken to try peening the rails/squeezing the slide). The EGW "ignition kit" is nice but does have a bit of creep that hasn't gone away with use or boosting. That and a new pair of glasses too
So yes, it can be done on a budget a little at a time. Rather or not in makes sense in time and money is another matter.
I have an old (1983) Springfield Armory GI. The gun was an ugly duckling but it shot better than it should for what it was IMHO. It tended to shoot two distinct different groups. Barrel fit was bad. You push down on the hood a lot and slide stop pin was contacting on only one leg. It would struggle to hold the nine ring at 25 yards.
So I freshened the gun up with EGW parts. The slide, frame, barrel, grip safety, thumb safety and magazine release are still original. Everything else was replaced. Now the gun will hold the ten ring at 25 yards and I know the parts aren't going to wear out in my lifetime.
A week ago I bought a Kart Xact fit barrel for my birthday. Shot it yesterday with Speer Lawman 230 grain FMJ ball ammo. It now holds the X ring at 25 yards. I shoot a 100 rounds of ball, check fit on lugs and adjust if needed, then if the rain would stop I'll see what she can do with SWC ammo.
All I have left to do is get a sear jig (I'm too chicken to try peening the rails/squeezing the slide). The EGW "ignition kit" is nice but does have a bit of creep that hasn't gone away with use or boosting. That and a new pair of glasses too
So yes, it can be done on a budget a little at a time. Rather or not in makes sense in time and money is another matter.
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Call it a "roll trigger" and you will be in style.
I have handled a 1911 with a roll trigger, and there might be something to it for slow fire. You take up a bit, a little more, the gun goes off, and you did not have time to flinch!
Following this thread I started practicing at 50 yards instead of reduced targets at 25. Let me tell you that’s a long way with a pistol with no support. I tried my 22 today, along with my Blackhawk as before. I didn’t loose any shots this time but I did send one over the target stand and into my target clip. I’ve been hitting those a lot lately. They’re like lead magnets.
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I need to buy some 50 yard targets to get some practice in. For now shooting reduced targets at 25.
I’ve looked at various rock island offerings but haven’t bought one yet. By all accounts they are good. I had a thread on starter 45 pistols and they were among the recommendations.
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I pulled the trigger and bought a match RIA. I'm mainly a rifle competitor. I don't want to break the bank on a 1911 in this side quest.
I've been using a 5 1/2" target out to 50 yards almost since I started decades ago. Currently it's the one in the pic. There is some logic to using this size target and it having no scoring lines. If interested I'll explain.
Shot this with my 1911 22 race pistol.
Shot this with my 1911 22 race pistol.
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Please explain
Bulls with no rings are great practice. Simply put, bullseye tends to have good shots, and then the other shots. If you focus on hitting the black with good fundamentals, good things happen. IF you try to dress up the shot and shoot a 10 or X, fundamentals tend to go downhill quickly.
You'll notice in his target the ones in the black are mostly well inside the edge. Then there are the other 4 or 5 shots....but we won't and shouldn't focus on those. Stay focused on the good shots!
You need to emphasize what most call "area holding" and impeccable trigger control. If you operate the trigger smoothly within your wobble area (regardless of the wobble size), you'll probably end up with a good shot.
I come from rifle too. This is definitely the principle for any position in rifle, but especially standing. The wobble in bullseye is a lot more than rifle, not as smooth, and usually moves a lot faster. Just trust the process and you'll do great!
And I'll suggest once again, do A LOT of 22 practice. Cheaper, and will pay big dividends!
You'll notice in his target the ones in the black are mostly well inside the edge. Then there are the other 4 or 5 shots....but we won't and shouldn't focus on those. Stay focused on the good shots!
You need to emphasize what most call "area holding" and impeccable trigger control. If you operate the trigger smoothly within your wobble area (regardless of the wobble size), you'll probably end up with a good shot.
I come from rifle too. This is definitely the principle for any position in rifle, but especially standing. The wobble in bullseye is a lot more than rifle, not as smooth, and usually moves a lot faster. Just trust the process and you'll do great!
And I'll suggest once again, do A LOT of 22 practice. Cheaper, and will pay big dividends!
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Although not a bullseye shooter, I could not turn down a Hebard special pistol scope with a 7.75 MOA dot.
Gil Hebard said the size was chosen because if you can hold the dot anywhere within the black aiming area of the target, it will shoot a Ten. Assuming it is zeroed for the range, of course.
Red dots are all the rage now, I don't know what sizes are commonly used.
Gil Hebard said the size was chosen because if you can hold the dot anywhere within the black aiming area of the target, it will shoot a Ten. Assuming it is zeroed for the range, of course.
Red dots are all the rage now, I don't know what sizes are commonly used.
First a disclaimer - Long ago I held a Master Classification in Bullseye pistol. That doesn't make me an expert. It just means I practiced hard at the physical and mental aspects of the sport.
#Soupy44 hits the high points of using targets without scoring rings. Scoring rings mess with your head.
I'll add that being able to call your shots is important.
As far as using the 5.5" target - The 9 ring (the black) of the 25 yard B-8 target is 5.5". The 9 ring on the 50 yard B-6 target is also 5.5", however the 8 ring on that target is the black and it is 8". Training to hold the 9 ring at both distances offers the greatest opportunity for consistently higher scores. It makes the B-6 target easier to hold.
Bullseye shooting is mostly a mental game (the 80% of the 80-20 rule). One side of your brain knows exactly what to do and how to make your body do it. The other side of your brain thinks it knows better and gets in the way.
That’s the truth. I was practicing rapid fire a couple of months ago and shot the first string basically in a horizontal row low in the 8 and across the seven ring. I tightened down and concentrated on my grip and tightening it up and did much better the next string. Just paying attention and not having my mind wander made a huge difference.
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