butchery! will this 1911 survive? *now with pics!*

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I was poking around at used guns and ran across a sad sight in a pawn shop. It's a nickel frame with UNITED STATES PROPERTY and NO 1933336 on the side. There was something else stamped on the front but I don't recall what it said. There were no mfg names on the frame. The left side of the frame had an FJA stamped into it.
The number puts it into 1944 Remington Rand wartime production but the inspection mark drops it into Ithica territory if my info is correct.
The sad part is the butchery. Brace yourselves. It's not pretty.
The trigger guard was welded up and squared off. It's got the bow wave breaker on the front too. Not being satisfied with that alone, the "builder" took his sharpest punch and "stippled" the bottom of the guard as well as the front of it somewhere between sixty five thousand and eleventy billion times. The marks are deep and pointy.
A mag well was grafted to the frame. I couldn't see it well because of the wrap around grips but I imagine it was welded.
The main spring housing was blued with a crosshatch pattern. An old school (non-functional) high gloss stainless beaver tail with the really round stubby profile had been fitted. The hammer was a smallish lightweight affair that had been worked on top. On the side was an antique nickel Pachmayr slide stop and nickel thumb safety. The trigger was an aluminum three hole piece.
Upstairs it was slightly better. It was topped with a (mostly worn off) blued Ithica slide and Colt Mk IV Series 70 barrel. The sights were an early form of "tactical" or otherwise hot rod items dovetailed in. The rear was a peculiar two piece affair with the white outlined notch sights floating above and behind the pinned on dovetail. The front was an orange post. Naturally, it sported a prehistoric full length guide rod.

Now the demons set in. I've been man-handling all kinds of 1911s lately. I'm simply grabbing them and doing a quick point. The muscle memory is still there. The 1911 feels like a gun should.
This one points for me like none of the others have. It feels right. The trigger feels pretty nice. The slide is fairly tight on the frame.
The gun is calling my name. I can hear it still.
The asking price is cheap. Dirt cheap.

I don't normally take any interest in stuff like this but I just gotta know.
Should I do it?
 
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So this is the gun equivalent of a motorcycle ratbike?

If it clicks well, feels good in your grip and does not seen to have the same internal treatment as the exterior and it's dirt cheap I say get it as a novelty item. You'll smile every time a 1911 cogniscenti cringes in disgust at the condition and the fact that you own such a turd..... but if it's a well shooting turd and you don't mind the cost then it should provide OOODLES of fun watching all the other more serious folks either gag at the condition of it or look on expecting it to blow up in your hands at any second.... :D
 
I have a couple bad cell phone pics but can't d/l them to my computer. I had to send 'em to a friend and have him e-mail me. I'll pass 'em along when I get 'em.
 
It occurs to me that someone with a lot of shooting experience who knew what they wanted in a gun but didn't have much money, could have made these alterations. You may just have an ugly mutt of a gun that shoots and carries really well! If the price is dirt cheap, grab it! You can always rebuild it if you need too.
 
One thing that I find interesting is that all the parts are old. I mean really OLD.
When was the list time you saw a thin long Pachmayr extended slide release lever that was nickle plated?
I think I've identified the sights as antique Bomars.
A Mark IV series 70 Colt barrel?

I really do get the feeling this thing was built a long time ago.
I gotta go back and look again. I didn't do the rattle test. Maybe I'll smack it on the counter to see if all the pins fall out.
 
Hi feets, from your posting, you really know your 1911s. How much did the pawnshop want for it and is there anything on it that is salvageable?
 
It will survive if you buy it and give it a good home for a generation or three.

In the '50's 1911s of any flavor were only worth $30-$50 and weren't held in the high regard they are now. This is what makes the ones that survived in good shape to be worth what they are now. If every 1911 ever produced had been kept in pristine condition they would all have so-so collectors interest. This one seems to have quite a story to tell..
 
A story to tell?
Would this be Dr Seuss or something by Stephen King?


Maybe I should use their lay-a-way plan and drop $50 each week to pay it off. I'd have it be the 4th of July. :D
 

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from your posting, you really know your 1911s. How much did the pawnshop want for it and is there anything on it that is salvageable?

I know a thing or two about a thing or two but haven't got a clue about 1911s.

I don't even know when to drop the gun and run.
 
July 4th is about about 8 weeks away so by my fractured mathematics that puts the asking price in the $400 neighbourhood. For a Mix-Master I think that might be a bit too steep. I think you can get a new field grade Charles Daly (made by CZ) for around $500. Although someone put quite a bit of time and money into the gun but they actually turned a possible collectors gun into just another shooter. The guns only value now is in how well it shoots. Can you try before you buy? If it shoots well for you than it may be worth the effort as a project. If you can't try it first but are still interested then try to lowball them and see what they say.
 
I might be able to squeek it out under $300. If it doesn't run I wouldn't feel bad about having to fiddle with it a little bit. I'd consider it a novelty and keep my fingers crossed that it'd behave itself.

$400 is way too much for an unknown gun of this age.
 
Charles Daily, Armscorp, Rock Island, and low end STIs all share frames from the Phillipines.
 
If you can get it for less than $300 then it might be worth tinkering with. I would think you would likely want to swap out a few of the old parts with some new ones to freshen it up a bit. Although there are lots of aftermarket parts for the 1911's, the high quality name-brand parts can get pricey. If you get the gun cheap but have to spend several hundred dollars replacing worn out or unusable parts then you won't really be ahead in the game. Decide what you want from a 1911 (or what you want to do with one), check out Brownells or similar to get an idea on parts prices and do an unemotional analysis. Try to decide you want a full blown race gun or a clean and simple CCW gun or something in between and go from there. Step back and think it through - sometime what looks like a bargain can end up costing you a lot more in the long run!
 
If the pics were higer resolution you would see the stipling, welding, and fading blue finish.

It's a demon calling my name. I can hear it still.
As a monster I want to know how it roars.
 
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