troy fairweather
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I'd be happy ppu is much better the win and it's cip spec.
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We all had OP stories here ,a while back. I've gotten some darn good deals. Also had to cancel more than a few orders. Never had a clue till I cut into the box. Hence yesterday's title. Their title started with "Winchester USA". Not " W TARGET & PRACTICE. That's the diff. That's how they got me . This time.
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Can't figure out the 1 k part but I don't get out much
entropy
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Unfortunately, I have no way of showing you, but the paperwork that accompanied the ammo when it arrived at the Walmart I worked at had country of origin on it. I always looked through them as an Inventory Management Associate, though mostly to see what was coming in for personal reference. The 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R Winchester White box was made in the Czech Republic, which meant it was loaded by Sellier & Bellot, even though the head stamp was Winchester.
Perhaps PPU got lazy and didn't head stamp the brass 'Winchester' or maybe their contract with Winchester didn't require it, but the S&B made Win. x39 and x54R was head stamped Winchester. I bought about 5 boxes of each to augment my Lapua in x39, and Graf's (who's x54R brass was also made by S&B, BTW, and head stamped "Graf's") brass stock.
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Has there been a "Buick" only engine since 1981?
Speedo66
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Kind of cost inefficient that every GM division used their own proprietary engines, where Ford and Chrysler used “corporate” engines across the line.
But I did like the individuality of the GM plan, where you knew some divisions had better engines than others and their engineers could hot rod them.
OP, good luck with your ammo!
Don't you know ignorance is bliss. I don't require proof for your comment. Who knows what really goes on. Thanks for inside info.
PPU can be stout. I've got a 308 that runs most ammo fine when suppressed, but with PPU it will tear up the rim of the cartridge. Contacted customer support and was told "Yep, PPU is pretty hot, so don't run that suppressed unless you get a straight through suppressor." Other than that shoots well though.
entropy
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BTW, Show Me, the Winchester headstamped x39 you show in your original post is S&B, I can tell by the type of lettering on the headstamp.
As far as for reloading, I've found S&B the better of the two, but aside from the odd off center flash hole, I find PPU to be decent brass. I pick up range brass, so I see everything come through there, and inspect it carefully.
As far as for reloading, I've found S&B the better of the two, but aside from the odd off center flash hole, I find PPU to be decent brass. I pick up range brass, so I see everything come through there, and inspect it carefully.
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Military buddy of mine years ago bought some 7.62X54R Winchester ball ammo to shoot through his newly aquired M91/30. He brought me the empty brass in box since I load this caliber. The brass was headstamped "WIN", but in S&B font and the light green/grey cartridge holder in the box actually had the S&B logo on it. Good brass and loaded just fine.
NeverEnoughFDE
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I've also had problems with Optics Planet. Never again
The international engine in my F350 says Ford on it. Craftsman , Allen , Stanley, KD, Blackhawk ,Armstrong were the same maker. Who knows who made JC penny and Wards. SK isn't domestic any more. Who knows about appliances. I own every tool listed plus all the brands on drag race cars. But if Winchester brass stamp make me happy ? Reloading is so simple a cave man can do it. It's all been written down somewhere so it's relaxing. Plus you dont have to buy a lot of tools unless you want to. Just I'm one of the only people that does it or especially that casts. Except for the arrogant people it's good around here.
Durango_Dave
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Is this PPU ammo or is Winchester using PPU brass?
entropy
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Since it says Made in Serbia on the box, probably made completely at PPU.
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entropy
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Oddly it also says made in the USA
Not anywhere I can see on the same box. The other box says made in the USA, but the brass in the box that says made in the USA was made in the Czech Republic, though they may have been stuffed and topped here in the US.
Durango_Dave
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Oh OK I misunderstood the original post. Those are different boxes from different sources.
troy fairweather
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I need some of them lol
fastbolt
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My agency received some 230gr .45 Ball USA ('white box') ammunition in the 2000's, which had been contracted out to S&B. The rounds were packaged in the standard USA box, but contained in 2 plastic trays. It smelled different when fired, and the muzzle blast signatures varied a bit.
entropy
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Your own headstamp, that'd be cool. I have my name on my pheasant hunting coat:
Briar Proof Hunting Gear Made in U.S.A. | Dan's Hunting Gear
Dan's Hunting Gear in Sugarcreek, Ohio, has the finest in hunting gear. Clothing or boots our quality is guaranteed.
danshuntinggear.com
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I agree the Serbian PPU is better ammo and better brass. The problem with Winchester white box ammo is that I ever bought a box of their crap at all back in the day.
That said, because it is Winchester white box, they may have gotten a deal on PPU seconds that wouldn't have otherwise made it into PPU's normal retail line that's exported to the U.S.
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The Winchester USA and the Winchester Target & Practice labeled boxes appear to have the same exact Product Code of Q3174 and UPC # of 020892201903. Winchester seems to be using two differently labeled boxes to sell the exact same product. OpticPlanet is simply using a stock image for the UPC.
Here is a box that has the same product code and UPC as the box titled "W TARGET & PRACTICE."
Q3174 | Winchester Ammunition
Next, as far as what you received, take a gander at Winchester's product page, look at the pictures, and read the comments on what others received from various retailers, including BassPro/Cabela's. Seems like the problem here is with Winchester and not OpticPlanet like many have assumed. There's a reason why Winchester is selling these foreign made ammo at a discount. Looks as if they contracted out to fulfill orders, IMHO. The "TARGET & PRACTICE" labeled ammo seems to be the problem, but being that there's no distinction between manufacture product codes, a vendor probably has both types in stock, e.i., "Winchester USA" and "W TARGET & PRACTICE." IDK...
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