LongHairedHippy
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no way does a cop miss an ounce. that's a sizable physical quantity.
buying handgun under 21
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Duke Junior
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Not if properly concealed.
Also cop may have been tired,near end of shift,had a pressing engagement or a multitude of other human conditional situations.
I can believe it.
How would you be able to own, and or possess it without receiving it ? State law seems to say you need the permit to receive it from pretty much any source, so I guess I missed something ?
Edit : Perhaps if you possess it prior to moving to the state , so that is what I may have missed
NavyLCDR
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Yes, if you brought it into the state because you previously owned it when you moved to NC, or you got it by bequest in a will from an out of state relative, you went to that state to take possession of it, then brought it back to NC.
VARifleman
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Also, mnrivrat, once you take possession of the handgun after the sale, you no longer have the pistol purchase permit. It seemed like you were implying that you need to have in your possession a permit for a handgun, if you own that handgun, but that is not the case.
I got my first pistol (first gun ever) at 18, an HK USP like an earlier poster, and it was good. I bought my second two at 19, though I foolishly sold one of them not long after, and my first revolver I actually had to help the guy find the relevant legal OK because I had just turned twenty and he was unsure.
So good luck, get something you really want and be safe with it.
So good luck, get something you really want and be safe with it.
1858rem
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i think i decided to go with the 45 colt conversion cylinder w/loading gate for my 1858 .44 Remington an just use reloads, not much more expensive than .22's i figure about 6 cents a shot if you cast your own booooolits
for $275 its an ok deal to be able to shoot 45 colt, looks AWESOME too, 14.5 inch gun and a 8" barrel lol
for $275 its an ok deal to be able to shoot 45 colt, looks AWESOME too, 14.5 inch gun and a 8" barrel lolHuh? I don't have bills of sale for any of my firearms. I don't need to prove I own them. If a cop takes my firearms because of this there are going to be lawyers involved.
Also, I don't carry receipts for my watch/clothes/mobile phone/wallet/bottled water. Why aren't those taken as well?
NavyLCDR
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And that is absolutely the way it should be. Like stated above, a lawfully transported or carried handgun is no different than a lawfully worn wristwatch.
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Cumberland County, its possible. I am a 19 year olf active duty Army service member, and I had to explain to them the laws. Got my Pistol Purchase Permits to prove it. Got a HK USP 9 compact from a member here, and a NIB S&W M&P .45 full size at a gun show.
The hard part is keeping the range attendants from noticing your mil ID says you were born in 89
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The hard part is keeping the range attendants from noticing your mil ID says you were born in 89
If you want more info, send me a PM.
sentientpain
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complicated question of gifting across states
Hey people!.. got a long question that is complicated that ive been researching (and i know how this gunlaw researching thing goes) I am in the military and stationed in colorado AND I dont turn 21 till august... and my dad bought me a Taurus PT 24/7 pro DS .45 handgun that he is gifting to me.. i'm planning on driving home to Georgia where my dad lives to do the paperwork and im just wondering if anyone has any good information on the legalities of this gifting to someone in another state (Haven't been in colorado a year so my home state of residency should still be Georgia, Plus im military so any stipulations should be ruled out anyhow since i can buy firearms out of state with my orders) Also wondering if it would be legal for me to drive from home to colorado with it (being between 18 and 21) from what i have read, i can possess it but not carry it. What is the definition of carrying a handgun? wearing it on my person? does having it in my car count as carrying it? As far as i know and researched it is legal, but its just questionable. I think all these laws should be clearly accessible for each county, city, state.. etc. but god knows we cant ask obama for that... dont want to remind him that you can aquire a handgun at 18 legally.. :banghead:
Hey people!.. got a long question that is complicated that ive been researching (and i know how this gunlaw researching thing goes) I am in the military and stationed in colorado AND I dont turn 21 till august... and my dad bought me a Taurus PT 24/7 pro DS .45 handgun that he is gifting to me.. i'm planning on driving home to Georgia where my dad lives to do the paperwork and im just wondering if anyone has any good information on the legalities of this gifting to someone in another state (Haven't been in colorado a year so my home state of residency should still be Georgia, Plus im military so any stipulations should be ruled out anyhow since i can buy firearms out of state with my orders) Also wondering if it would be legal for me to drive from home to colorado with it (being between 18 and 21) from what i have read, i can possess it but not carry it. What is the definition of carrying a handgun? wearing it on my person? does having it in my car count as carrying it? As far as i know and researched it is legal, but its just questionable. I think all these laws should be clearly accessible for each county, city, state.. etc. but god knows we cant ask obama for that... dont want to remind him that you can aquire a handgun at 18 legally.. :banghead:
Unless Georgia has some special state registration I don't know of, I don't believe there is any paperwork you need to do there to take position of your gift.
As far as transporting it, it must be unloaded and in a completely inclosed case, out of reach while driving (trunk is best). Carrying is totaly different than transporting it.
As far as transporting it, it must be unloaded and in a completely inclosed case, out of reach while driving (trunk is best). Carrying is totaly different than transporting it.
NavyLCDR
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+1 what mnivrt said.
A few things to consider:
For the purpose of firearms, the minute that you check into your command in Colorado on your Permanent Change of Station orders, you are a Colorado resident. There is no length of residency requirement. Your active duty ID card + your orders makes you a Colorado resident to an FFL. Now, you can't buy a handgun or handgun ammo from an FFL until you are 21.
Unless you actually maintain a physical residence in Georgia that you spend part of the year actually living in, you are NOT (for the purposes of firearms transactions) a Geordia resident, even though you possess a Georgia driver's license. Now, let's say that your spouse remained in Georgia with a house there that you contributed towards the income of. When you went back to stay in that house, then you would be a Georgia resident for the time you were living in that house. But, unless you have an address in Georgia that you get mail at and pay bills for, you aren't, for firearms purposes, a Georgia resident any more.
So, technically, by the letter of the law (18 USC 922), a Colorado FFL must transfer the handgun to you and the handgun must be delivered to the Colorado FFL by the giftor/seller (IE your dad) or by a Georgia FFL.... you cannot take the handgun yourself to the Colorado FFL.
Now, on the High Road, I would never advocate doing anything illegal. But I might offer an opinion that the easiest thing for you to do would be just for dad to give you the handgun, no paperwork. If you do the transfer at a Georgia FFL, you are actually committing more felonies because you are lying on the 4473 when you say you are a Georgia resident, if you don't meet the conditions of physically residency above. If you were a Georgia resident, it would be perfectly legal for dad just to give the handgun to you, no paperwork required.
Transport the handgun back to Colorado according to FOPA (google FOPA, it is actually 18 USC 926a). Which is unloaded handgun and ammo (I would have dad "give" you plenty of ammo) locked in the trunk. If you are in a van or SUV or something that doesn't have a trunk, then the ammo and unloaded handgun must be in a locked case (NOT in the glovebox) to keep both separated from the occupants of the vehicle by a lock.
The good news is, because you are active duty military, even though not legally a Georgia resident anymore, you can carry concealed or open in Georgia, without a permit, in any place that a LEO can. That is only Georgia state law, and does not apply anywhere else.
Hope this helps. If you need further info, such as where what I have posted is published, feel free to PM me or ask here.
A few things to consider:
For the purpose of firearms, the minute that you check into your command in Colorado on your Permanent Change of Station orders, you are a Colorado resident. There is no length of residency requirement. Your active duty ID card + your orders makes you a Colorado resident to an FFL. Now, you can't buy a handgun or handgun ammo from an FFL until you are 21.
Unless you actually maintain a physical residence in Georgia that you spend part of the year actually living in, you are NOT (for the purposes of firearms transactions) a Geordia resident, even though you possess a Georgia driver's license. Now, let's say that your spouse remained in Georgia with a house there that you contributed towards the income of. When you went back to stay in that house, then you would be a Georgia resident for the time you were living in that house. But, unless you have an address in Georgia that you get mail at and pay bills for, you aren't, for firearms purposes, a Georgia resident any more.
So, technically, by the letter of the law (18 USC 922), a Colorado FFL must transfer the handgun to you and the handgun must be delivered to the Colorado FFL by the giftor/seller (IE your dad) or by a Georgia FFL.... you cannot take the handgun yourself to the Colorado FFL.
Now, on the High Road, I would never advocate doing anything illegal. But I might offer an opinion that the easiest thing for you to do would be just for dad to give you the handgun, no paperwork. If you do the transfer at a Georgia FFL, you are actually committing more felonies because you are lying on the 4473 when you say you are a Georgia resident, if you don't meet the conditions of physically residency above. If you were a Georgia resident, it would be perfectly legal for dad just to give the handgun to you, no paperwork required.
Transport the handgun back to Colorado according to FOPA (google FOPA, it is actually 18 USC 926a). Which is unloaded handgun and ammo (I would have dad "give" you plenty of ammo) locked in the trunk. If you are in a van or SUV or something that doesn't have a trunk, then the ammo and unloaded handgun must be in a locked case (NOT in the glovebox) to keep both separated from the occupants of the vehicle by a lock.
The good news is, because you are active duty military, even though not legally a Georgia resident anymore, you can carry concealed or open in Georgia, without a permit, in any place that a LEO can. That is only Georgia state law, and does not apply anywhere else.
Hope this helps. If you need further info, such as where what I have posted is published, feel free to PM me or ask here.
sentientpain
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I really appreciate it guys thanks for the help
sentientpain
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one more thing.. i was talking to my local FFL about having the gun shipped, and he told me that it would require the background check of which wouldn't let me aquire the firearm even though it was gifted to me by my dad.. anyone know any way to recieve a gifted handgun throuh an FFL being under 18? Im in no big hurry at all.. i just wanted to have a handgun before obama gets inaugurated, and i technically own it already
NavyLCDR
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I think you meant under 21. And there is no legal way to receive the gifted handgun from the FFL until you are 21, he must give it to you FTF. Like stated above, he cannot ship it to you across state lines, it has to be shipped to an FFL, so the only alternative is FTF.
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