California Micro-Stamping

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XD40scinNC said:
I'm sure the criminals that acquire a gun to commit a crime will immediately comply ;)
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With somebody else's identity in those cases. It could--and perhaps should--be argued that the law taking effect facilitates identity theft. Even if this could be nullified by reporting one's stolen firearms, that wouldn't work if a criminal picks up one's brass from a shooting range and plants it, for example. This is nothing that hasn't been brought up before, but the point is to use language to our advantage by couching it in terms of "identity theft," which people are pretty wary about these days.
 
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Does nobody in this state sue over these things? What happened to "guns in common use for legal purposes"?
 
For far too many CA gun owners, shooting it just another hobby. At best, maybe they are NRA members, but otherwise they are uninformed, won't help the cause or donate a dime. If their hobby is banned or made too expensive, they'll grumble, shrug their shoulders and take up another hobby.

I guarantee if I mention Kamala Harris and micro-stamping to some of the shooters at work tomorrow or the next time I'm at the range, the responses will be who?, micro-what?
 
"According to the link below firing pin stamps the primer with information."


Which means that range pick-up brass is not going to be a problem to the original shooter if it's later reloaded and used in a crime... deprime and it's just brass... (so remove that objection from the list of obvious things that are silly about this).


Willie

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Us "Liberals" in California see Florida as the place New Yorkers go to die. I'm sure that there are quite a few anti gun libs in Florida also. California has plenty of gun owners, concealed carry is decided by the county sheriff. In most urban and suburban counties it's difficult to get a CC permit but many rural sheriff's are pro gun and will issue a permit to non felons. California is a big state, there is a lot more to it than San Francisco and Los Angeles.
 
^^^ what he said.

Eastern Kern County (Mojave Desert), where I live 4 months a year, is a shooting paradise: Thousands of miles (literally) of desert dirt roads, pull over anyplace, pick a backstop, and set up and shoot. Sheriff issues CCW's to any non-felon who applies. Deal with a bullet button on your AR and enjoy. Could it be better? Sure. But compared to my "more firearms friendly" home state of Wisconsin, this is better "all around". Yes, I can own NFA in Wisconsin, get a CCW anyplace, and don't need a bullet button to shoot my AR. But... unless you own land, or drive to a range, good luck finding a place to shoot. And GOOD LUCK trying to shoot at 1000 yards. Here it's a ten minute drive down any dirt road and enjoy.


California is HUGE. There are good places and bad. I doubt you would find too many anti-gun folks around here. Kern County is 8161 square miles all by itself. ALL OF New Jersey is 8729. All of Connecticut is only 5543 square miles. Every county here is it's own world. Pick one wisely! Get a hunting license and open carry all you like in the desert (Coyotes are shot year 'round, so you are always "hunting" when hiking with your SAA Colt on your belt). And your CCW from "here" is good in San Francisco for that Glock 36. Who needs more than 8 in .45 ACP?

With that said, I'm fifteen miles from the LA County Line, where everything is different... poor buggers! :cuss:


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Willie Sutton said:
"According to the link below firing pin stamps the primer with information."


Which means that range pick-up brass is not going to be a problem to the original shooter if it's later reloaded and used in a crime... deprime and it's just brass... (so remove that objection from the list of obvious things that are silly about this).


Willie

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But picking up spent brass and planting it at a crime scene is a very real possibility
 
^^ Yup. No disagreement. Going to be every defense lawyers spiel in court.

Police your brass is the cure. You don't leave brass behind, do you? It's littering. :eek:


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Willie:

It's my understanding that they want to microstamp the primer and the casing....

De-priming the case will, of course, replace the primer stamp (which is terminally stupid anyway), but apparently there's a second mark on the case (probably on the head) that won't go away without a file.

That said, reloading probably would be impossible.

Initially, the microstamping craze was courtesy of one manufacturer who had the technology (or claimed to be just about ready to have it), and the law was written to require more than one source. My guess is that the original supporters gave the technology to somebody else just to open the market up.

Overall, a silly suggestion made by people who have no idea, but an agenda.... :fire:

Regards,
 
I understand what the signs meant going from Northern California into Oregon way back in the late 70's "Don't Californicate Oregon". What the heck did ya expect re-electing Moon Beam?:(
 
loose noose said:
I understand what the signs meant going from Northern California into Oregon way back in the late 70's "Don't Californicate Oregon". What the heck did ya expect re-electing Moon Beam?:(
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I do believe this one was signed into law by the man who could not even pronounce our state if his life depended on it. He makes a good robot, but bad politician. To be fair to Arnie, I don't really think any politicians are good, just some are slightly less bad.
 
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> Which means that range pick-up brass is not going to
> be a problem to the original shooter if it's later reloaded > and used in a crime... deprime and it's just brass... (so
> remove that objection from the list of obvious things
> that are silly about this).

So, just police your own empties and scatter a handful of range brass around your crime scene...
 
How much does microstamping drive up the price of a firearm? I get the feeling that this could price a lot of people out of the gun market.
 
I testified against a microstamping bill in RI a number of years ago. A company out of NH I believe started this. We killed the bill but the irony is when it was heard in CA the manufacturer/patent owner testified that RI had passed it and was successfully implementing microstamping.
 
now i dont know how it is in CA, but here is MA, the "features" required for a pistol to be on the approved roster are only required for the initial sale, and are not required after the dealer has transferred the pistol (ex. all handguns in MA must be sold with a 10 lb trigger, but i can legally change it to a lighter trigger once i own it)....

is CA law similar?.....so would the owner be allowed to legally remove the microstamping from their gun after they take possession of it? or would they treat it like a gun with a filed off SN?
 
That is how I read it. Two stamps.

<sigh>... will their idiocy never end....

Methinks a three step process will cure:

(1): Dremel Tool.

(2): Felt Tip.

(3): Polishing Compound.



Willie


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Would criminals even care that their brass was microstamped? Would it affect their actions, whatsoever? I mean, it's not like their guns are legally "gotten" or registered, so what exactly does having a stamp on the brass from a stolen/missing weapon accomplish?


Let's not forget that drive-bys don't leave casings (if the guns are kept inside) and these indentations will wear off, be filled with fouling, or be ground away by the unscrupulous regardless. Will they imprint steel or aluminum case ammo, do they affect function (or did they not even bother to test for that before decreeing this). Are reloaders in trouble if they use once-fired brass? Will your casings need to remain in your possession now? Revolvers leave no casings. After market firing pins and barrels will need to be registered to the firearm, now, despite being unregulated items. Wildcatting will be forbidden. Is it now illegal to turn/ream your own barrel now, since there is no way for an end-user to microstamp? Will the stamps transfer even to very hard military primers? Do the stamp indentations reduce the threshold at which a primer will pierce? Do they tend to cause metal-fatigue crack nucleation points in the firing pin head? Will tumbling brass remove the marks (that's actually a plus for practicality, if true)?

If California had simply required that all ammunition be engraved on the case head and registered to the owner, it would make more sense than this mess.

What is this besides yet another "so long as it makes the activity more onerous" law against gun users? How much should we bet that it turns out the stamps aren't even reliable enough to be admissible as evidence or generate leads, anyway? Or is a judge going to issue search or arrest warrants for all 30 stamps found on ammo at the crimescene (which happened to be purchased as factory reloads, or in 1's and 2's on the street, as is often done)

TCB
 
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