Calling the police for shots fired!

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Last night I was at my apartment with my girlfriend. We live together, and we had just finished watching a movie. Every once in a while we'll have a cigarette to relax. We were out on the deck joking and talking about fun plans we had for later (completely condition white), when we heard what sounded like a gunshot coming from the floor below us and over one apartment. We froze and I said "that sounded like a gunshot". We wondered for a moment but it was confirmed by a string of what sounded like about 8 more gunshots! It was about 11:00pm. I opened the door from the back deck and told her to get inside. I drew my gun and followed her in. For a few seconds we confirmed with eachother that those were in fact gunshots and we weren't crazy. She dialled 911 and handed me the phone.

911: "911, what are you reporting"
me: "I heard several gunshots"
911: "What is your location"
me: "[address] unit L203"
911: "Did you see or hear anything before the shots"
me: "no, I heard what sounded like a gunshot followed by what sounded like several more"
911: "how many more?"
me: "I don't know, about 8"
911: "Did you see or hear anything after the shots"
me: "No, we went inside"
911: "Do you know exactly where the shots came from?"
me: "I'm not sure, but it sounded like it was from L104"
911: "We have officers on route, is [this] a good telephone for us to reach you on?"
me: "yes, but can you have an officer come to the door to let us know it's safe?"
911: "Yes, please stay inside"
me: "Please let the officers know that we are armed, but we will disarm before we open the door"
911: "Please secure any weapons in the house now."
me: "ok, they're secured"
911: "All right sir, I have officers on route, please stay by the telephone"
me: "thank you"

About 7 minutes later we heard the police pounding on the door downstairs and yelling "Police Department!" They had to knock a couple times, and in the process, we heard from behind the complex "Police! Down on the ground! Get down on the ground! Down now! Get down on the ground!" For the next several minutes we heard the commotion of the police yelling at people. Then we started hearing them pound on the unit next to us. They didn't get a response so the phone rang, and the operator asked me to answer the door. I explained that we were in l203 not l204 and that l204 was vacant. The officers came to the door and loudly knocked and yelled "Police Department!"

I went to the door, and told my girlfriend to make her hands very visible. Before I opened the door I said "We're unarmed, I'm opening the door"

The officer told us to walk out with our hands in front of us. We did. The units responding were Snohomish County Sheriff's deputies clad in the regular uniform, with ar15 rifles and mounted tac lights. They kept the rifles pointed at the ground and you could tell that they were on high alert, as the second officer was watching their 6 o'clock while the first officer took our names and information.

A half an hour later the police had left and we felt safe. I was very impressed with the professionalism and response time of the SCSD. I've always been impressed with their professionalism.

I think that was what I should have done, and I think it all went as perfectly as possible. I don't know what ever came of the gunshots, or if anyone was hurt or arrested.

Should I have done anything differently? What suggestions would you have for the same situation? Thanks for your input.
 
Just out of curiosity, not criticism, since you planned to answer the door without a gun in your hand, why did you feel it necessary to inform the dispatcher you had guns in your apartment?
 
Yeah I don't think I would've mentioned anything about having any weapons unless asked. Everything sounds like it went perfectly for you so I guess it doesn't matter. It just always seems to make the police nervous (and rightfully so) when you tell them that you have firearms. Wether they're pulling you over or knocking on your door, if you throw the fact that you've got a gun out to them without being asked they usually seem to adopt a more defensive posture. And rightfully so, they don't know you.. but now they do know that you're armed.
 
I think you did everything right, expvideo.

As for the fact that informing an officer your armed makes him nervous... well, it should. That said, I'd rather have a cop who knows I'm legally armed be a bit wary, then have a cop who doesn't know find out suddenly... never ends well.
 
Just out of curiosity, not criticism, since you planned to answer the door without a gun in your hand, why did you feel it necessary to inform the dispatcher you had guns in your apartment?

I don't know, I felt if anything happened it was important to let them know. Besides, my guns are registered to me and there isn't anything for me to worry about. I just thought that was the kind of thing to let them know about, in case the situation changed. It didn't hurt me to let them know, but let's just say the dispatcher told them the wrong apartment number for the report, and they thought the shots came from my apartment or something. I'd rather disclose that info before the fact than explain it 30 minutes later in a patrol car.

Life's unpredictable, I thought it was best to let them know. Maybe that wasn't a good call. I don't know.
 
This is the only part that doesn't sound right to me:

Last night I was at my apartment with my girlfriend. We live together, and we had just finished "watching a movie". Every once in a while we'll "have a cigarette to relax".


"Watching a movie". Right.
 
lol, we've lived together long enough to make it through a movie. good catch though. :D

EDIT: and no, I never found out what happened. People don't really talk to their neighbors that much out here.
 
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People don't really talk to their neighbors that much out here.

You should move ASAP, its a red flag that the area is or will soon become "high crime".

My neighbor diagonally across the back yard was followed home from a night club and murdered by a serial killer 25+ years ago -- we still talk about it! The event made us gun owners, prior to this my wife kept her guns at her Mom's and I was happy borrowing one of the faimly guns for the obligatory twice a year hunts. I'd always enjoyed shooting but never lived in a place it was convienent to shoot so never saw much point to buying one. This event got me off my duff to find a local gun club, join, and practice regularly. The rest is history :)

--wally.
 
About 7 minutes later we heard the police pounding on the door downstairs and yelling "Police Department!" They had to knock a couple times, and in the process, we heard from behind the complex "Police! Down on the ground! Get down on the ground! Down now! Get down on the ground!" For the next several minutes we heard the commotion of the police yelling at people.

All your neighbors hate you now. :neener:
 
Call the landlord. Tell him you're breaking the lease (assuming you have one) if he doesn't come clean on what happened and evict the tennants of that unit at once. I think you more than have cause to get your security deposit back in full if you want to leave. You did the right thing although I wouldn't ever make mention of weapons in such a call myself--I think it honestly adds confusion to an already tense situation. My larger point being, your lanlord needs to act or lose you and your lady as tennants. Good luck.
 
It sounds to me like you got everyone in your apartment building searched by the police, and may have put some of the residents at risk for being killed by the police accidentally. You only had a rough idea of where the shots came from it sounds like, and whoever the police were shouting "Police! Down on the ground! Get down on the ground! Down now! Get down on the ground!" almost certainly had guns pointed at them by police.

I don't really understand why the AR15's were brought into play. I guess if the police have cool toys, its fun to play with them sometimes. It doesn't really matter though, as I would not want to have been shot accidentally by a handgun, either. It just makes me wonder about the mindset of the officers. Unless someone was arrested, and it doesn't sound like they were, I think you and the police caused more fuss than was necessary.

Are you sure someone wasn't playing with firecrackers?

Are you sure the police did not over-react?

I am not accusing you, if it was really gun shots, then I guess you did the right thing. I am not so sure the police handled things well though.
 
^ Kind of a strange post...

How I interpreted the post is that you shouldn't call the police if either:

a) you don't know the EXACT location of the gunshots
or
b) that they were for certain gunshots

He did the right thing and so did the Police. I think it is pretty standard to be armed and ready when responding to a call of 'shots fired' in an apartment.
 
I don't really understand why the AR15's were brought into play.

If you were looking for a potential armed criminal, you would want a long arm, not a mere handgun. Easier to fire accurately, more powerful, longer range. Heck, they're even scarier. Not to mention that it was night-time, and the rifles had lights while their sidearms probably did not.
 
If I call 911 for possible gunshots in my neighborhood (Cleveland) not only will I not get a response I'll get yelled at.:scrutiny:
 
Are you sure someone wasn't playing with firecrackers?

Let's be honest here. What is more likely? It's 11pm on a cold febuary night. Billy sits lighting a series of individual firecrackers in his livingroom at an uncanny speed, very similar to that of a semi-automatic being fired rather quickly. Or perhaps... Bad neighborhood, night time, nowhere near a fireworks holiday... hmm... I'll put my money on "gunshots".

My girlfriend and I are both regular shooters. I think that the opinion of two practiced shooters saying "that sounded like gunshots" is good enough for me to call the cops. It's not good enough for me to run downstairs and kick in the door, but it's enough to call the cops.

I didn't panic on the phone and it was the department's judgement call to have a mildly tactical response rather than a courtesy-check, not mine.

I could doubt the sound all I want, but I'd rather my neighbor's night was a little shaken up than find out that someone was murdered and I didn't even call the police.
 
I don't really understand why the AR15's were brought into play. I guess if the police have cool toys, its fun to play with them sometimes. It doesn't really matter though, as I would not want to have been shot accidentally by a handgun, either. It just makes me wonder about the mindset of the officers. Unless someone was arrested, and it doesn't sound like they were, I think you and the police caused more fuss than was necessary.

If you know you're going into a potential gunfight of course you should take a rifle. I would have and, in fact, that would have been SOP for my former department.

Just curious...what does being arrested have to do with whether or not the officers had a rifle?
 
How I interpreted the post is that you shouldn't call the police if either:
a) you don't know the EXACT location of the gunshots
How is it always possible to know where gunshots are coming from??? It would be tough in an apartment or in a city (with gunshots coming from around a building corner). If you don't know the exact apartment or the address around the corner, should you just not call??

I think you did pretty well, exp. Personally, I agree with you disclosing to the 911 operator that you were armed. You were not in any violation of the law and you made your hands very visible when facing the officers. What if the cop asks for your ID and sees your CPL card in your wallet? I think the officer would be less nervious to know that you have a gun before seeing your license to carry.


911: "Please secure any weapons in the house now."
Call me a newbie.....
Does this mean "unload all weapons" or "unload and lock all weapons"?? If there is a possible shooter in the apartment downstairs, the last thing you want to do is disable your defense gun.
 
I wasn't aware that WA had gun registration. Learn something new every day, I guess.
Gun registration isn't required in washington, but all of my current guns were purchased at the gun store, so... they're all registered. (gun store purchases are registered)
 
Gun registration isn't required in washington, but all of my current guns were purchased at the gun store, so... they're all registered. (gun store purchases are registered)
OK, I'm confused. Registered with who? The state? By serial number?
 
lol, we've lived together long enough to make it through a movie. good catch though.

If you fall asleep during the movie, your qualifications and tenure are in order. Back to the post, the police have a tough job . . . you did right; they stayed unharmed.
 
I agree 100% with what you did, and I hope I would do the same in that situation. I think you should definately call the department and mention how professional and impressed you were with everything. It feels really good to get a pat on the back when doing your "normal" job:)
 
I heard 4 a couple weeks ago from probably 1/4 mile away from my apartment. I called 311 since I couldn't tell them where it seemed to be coming from. She thanked me and had a car in the area drive by the complex.
8 from right next to you is a bit scary.
 
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