expvideo
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That makes two of us.
That's a good idea. I think I will.
Calling the police for shots fired!
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Exmasonite
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sounds like you did well, the police did ok. it'd be nice for them to let you know what went down but oh well...
only thing that was weird was "Please secure all firearms now" by 911 dispatch. Not to be a smartass (and i would never say this out loud) but i'd be thinking: "I'll secure my firearms when your officers secure my apartment building."
Personally, i'd look for the flashing lights and have the gun(s) ready until the police knocked on my door.
only thing that was weird was "Please secure all firearms now" by 911 dispatch. Not to be a smartass (and i would never say this out loud) but i'd be thinking: "I'll secure my firearms when your officers secure my apartment building."
Personally, i'd look for the flashing lights and have the gun(s) ready until the police knocked on my door.
Lone_Gunman
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I think the 911 operator telling you to "secure all firearms now" was a bad command, given the fact that the police were not on the scene and someone with a gun was potentially committing a crime.
Why were the police ordering someone to get on the ground? All they had to go on was your very vague complaint that something that sounded like gunshots was heard, and you think it came from an apartment below you. Are you concerned you may have had the tenants in that apartment unnecessarily investigated by the police? I mean, it didnt sound like you were very sure where the shots came from.
It just seems to me your complaint was very vague, and the police response was an over-reaction.
Why were the police ordering someone to get on the ground? All they had to go on was your very vague complaint that something that sounded like gunshots was heard, and you think it came from an apartment below you. Are you concerned you may have had the tenants in that apartment unnecessarily investigated by the police? I mean, it didnt sound like you were very sure where the shots came from.
It just seems to me your complaint was very vague, and the police response was an over-reaction.
Reminds me of the time I had a lady cop knocking at my door. Then she questioned me for about 15 minutes straight about my neighbor. I didnt know anything about them so she thought I was lieng and pulled her badge on me. 
She even threatened to arrest me. 
She even threatened to arrest me. I think you did everything right, and if it was a gun related incident, informing the officers so that there is no miscommunication is probably a good thing.
I agree with Exmasonite though. My weapons are secured, when my safety has been secured. Not before that.
I agree with Exmasonite though. My weapons are secured, when my safety has been secured. Not before that.
TheDisturbed1
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Yup. last summer, in my very "urban" neighborhood... We called on what sounded like 22 shots from the street over (right accross the alley from me). Fairbanks Police responded fairly fast with one unit armed with AR-15 with optics and double-mag... (they pulled up at my house and crossed the alley from there).
They said "fireworks" and got cited, so its a play that you cant really take chances with... even in a small city like mine.
Lone_Gunman
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Well, if that is the case, then wouldn't police always want to carry AR's? In other words, if police feel the need to carry any gun at all, then why not always carry an AR?
TheDisturbed1
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remember most cities gotta keep a budget and most regular street cops would be somewhat mindless about an AR without alot more training that would fall under the budget... besides, to a situation like that, most officers have those type of backup units there or en route
me: "I'm sorry, ma'am, but I have just heard gunshots from what appears to be the apartment below me and if I secure my weapon now, I or my girlfriend may be the next victim. I will be more than happy to secure my gun when the responding officers secure the area"expvideo said:
Deavis
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Because it is superior to a handgun in almost every way. Handgun or carbine, not a tough choice in that situation.
Car Knocker
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Thanks, SWModel19, I should have picked up on that first thing. :banghead:
Just running a little slow, I guess.
Eleven Mike
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Basically the same reason a lot of people on this board carry pistols every day, but very few would even want to pack a rifle or shotgun in their day to day business. More and more law enforcement ARE carrying ARs and other carbines, just for these situations. They just keep them in the vehicle, as they have done with shotguns for decades. The same way a lot of us carry long guns in our vehicles, but don't take them out just to go shopping.
Have you ever carried a long gun for 8 - 12 hours, or whatever the normal shift would be? Have you ever gotten in and out of a vehicle a dozen times a day, bringing your rifle with you every time? Well, a lot of us veterans have, and we know the downside. A pistol you can hang on your belt and forget about (aside from retention issues). An AR is heavy, long, swings around inconveniently, etc. Since cops spend much more time grabbing, arresting, running after suspects, interviewing witnesses and suspects, etc, the advantages of the pistol outweigh the advantages of the long-gun for most situations. After all, a fighting pistol is really just a compromise of convenience for firepower. And that compromise probably works better for cops than the AR.
Believe it or not, it's very easy to leave that thing leaning up against some handy object and just walk off without it. I don't want to think about how many distracted, tired, or careless police officers would be leaving their automatic weapons unsecured on the streets.
Thain
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She asked him to secure his firearm... he was holding it in his hand. They don't get much more secure than that.
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Someday I'll learn it's easier to keep my mouth shut than try to explain something. :banghead:
Mark in California
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I hear more than one gunshot type of noise that I can not otherwise identify and I am calling the police.
I heard gun shots outside my house once, got really excited when the bullet came through the wall. Discounting everthing I had said before about being shot at, I crawled out of the room and to a phone to call the police. No discusion about being armed, just shots fired and how fast can you get here. Police asked my to stay inside until they arrive. No problem there.
When the police arrived we told them what we knew. Then They were called away to another shooting. It was two drunk kids and they shot up about 16 houses and business until they were caught early the next morning.
The Eureka Police Department was here quick, they were profesional, and they were here to help the victims recover, get any information they could from the witness's and stop this attack upon the our city.
I worked for Brinks for years and where ever we could we carried a 870. I think the police follow the same logic. If you are going to be in a gun fight carry the bigest gun you can. Any rifle is better that a handgun in most situations.
I heard gun shots outside my house once, got really excited when the bullet came through the wall. Discounting everthing I had said before about being shot at, I crawled out of the room and to a phone to call the police. No discusion about being armed, just shots fired and how fast can you get here. Police asked my to stay inside until they arrive. No problem there.
When the police arrived we told them what we knew. Then They were called away to another shooting. It was two drunk kids and they shot up about 16 houses and business until they were caught early the next morning.
The Eureka Police Department was here quick, they were profesional, and they were here to help the victims recover, get any information they could from the witness's and stop this attack upon the our city.
I worked for Brinks for years and where ever we could we carried a 870. I think the police follow the same logic. If you are going to be in a gun fight carry the bigest gun you can. Any rifle is better that a handgun in most situations.
Geronimo45
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"I don't want to think about how many distracted, tired, or careless police officers would be leaving their automatic weapons unsecured on the streets."
Indeed they would.
Cops and ARs? Here, I saw a cop with an AR (semi or full auto, I wouldn't know - M4 sized, I think) and a short-barreled shotgun (think it was semi).
If you're in a Hollywood Bank Robbery-style engagement, you'll want that AR bad. Or if you've got some nutjob blasting away with a rifle - or a BG with body armor. The AR will probably not be needed for the average patrol officer - a handgun would likely be sufficient - but in the rare situation when it's not sufficient, a higher-powered weapon would be available.
Indeed they would.
Cops and ARs? Here, I saw a cop with an AR (semi or full auto, I wouldn't know - M4 sized, I think) and a short-barreled shotgun (think it was semi).
If you're in a Hollywood Bank Robbery-style engagement, you'll want that AR bad. Or if you've got some nutjob blasting away with a rifle - or a BG with body armor. The AR will probably not be needed for the average patrol officer - a handgun would likely be sufficient - but in the rare situation when it's not sufficient, a higher-powered weapon would be available.
Lone_Gunman
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Sorry I upset you, but I disagree with the militarization of the police, and the AR is part of that. I absolutely believe the police should be armed with an AR if the situation seems appropriate. But answering vague calls about loud noises does not seem to rise to that level to me.
Cosmoline
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I'd be more worried about the responding cops shooting me. Unless I hear a call for help and I have reason to believe it's an emergency, I NEVER call the police. No good deed goes unpunished.
expvideo
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To me it meant put the guns out of sight and deffinately out of hand. I think if they wanted me to unload them they would have been more direct about it. To me it just meant to put them out of sight and out of mind.
damien
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How do people find these two year old threads to resurrect?
krs
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So the guy in the apartment downstairs has a better sound system for his TV than you knew? And he was watching..what, Rambo, Bullit, what movie has a series of shots like that?
I can't imagine that an event that required neighbors to get face down in the middle of the night, and event that rolled out a full armed response with lights up and down the street, units radios blaring, and all the rest of the disturbance that a full response brings to a street wouldn't at least be mentioned by someone the next morning.
Anyway, the police up here.... I get Portland TV over the air but can't get Seattle,...... roll out guys with full packs, cammies with jungle hats, and AR rifles every time there's a dog bite.
I see it on the news most nights - keep seeing this one guy in full jungle fatique gear with face paint, backpack, alice pack, jungle hat, rifle, all of it like he thinks he's in "Platoon" the movie. He seems to walk across just about every Portland, OR police situation like he's doing a cameo appearance.
I started getting a kick out of watching for that clown about a year ago. All the rest of the cops that are seen are wearing regular cop uniforms with their chest protectors and sometimes the riot helmet, but this guy's always in jungle fatiques. Makes me wonder what he does the rest of the time, answer the phone maybe, or man the public relations desk at police central? Maybe he's the chief? Nope, chief of Police in Portland is a woman.
I can't imagine that an event that required neighbors to get face down in the middle of the night, and event that rolled out a full armed response with lights up and down the street, units radios blaring, and all the rest of the disturbance that a full response brings to a street wouldn't at least be mentioned by someone the next morning.
Anyway, the police up here.... I get Portland TV over the air but can't get Seattle,...... roll out guys with full packs, cammies with jungle hats, and AR rifles every time there's a dog bite.
I see it on the news most nights - keep seeing this one guy in full jungle fatique gear with face paint, backpack, alice pack, jungle hat, rifle, all of it like he thinks he's in "Platoon" the movie. He seems to walk across just about every Portland, OR police situation like he's doing a cameo appearance.
I started getting a kick out of watching for that clown about a year ago. All the rest of the cops that are seen are wearing regular cop uniforms with their chest protectors and sometimes the riot helmet, but this guy's always in jungle fatiques. Makes me wonder what he does the rest of the time, answer the phone maybe, or man the public relations desk at police central? Maybe he's the chief? Nope, chief of Police in Portland is a woman.
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