chaim
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I only want informed feedback. Actual information, actually answering my questions. I do not want to hear they suck, their Communist, stay out or any such nonsense (yeah, I'm aware of the overall situation there, and those comments aren't very helpful or constructive for my current situation).
Sure, being a gun guy I'd much prefer going someplace with better gun laws. However, having been unemployed for 5 months with no end in sight I can't afford to ignore the two largest job markets in the country. Being turned down and ignored for job after job due to my religious restrictions I can't afford to ignore the metropolitian area with the largest concentration of Orthodox Jews in the world, and another in the top 10 or so (areas with a lot of Orthodox Jews tend to have more employers who are familiar with our needs- NYC especially is fairly Orthodox Jewish friendly). Having most of my experience in an industry where Sat (the sabbath) is a normal working day and thus having trouble being hired (and having no chance for further promotion if I do get hired) means I can look to other industries (where my experience isn't as helpful), I can abandon my religion (not going to happen), or I can go to NY where plenty of branches are closed on Sat (both in the Jewish neighborhoods and in the business distict of Manahattan). Plus, I'm kinda getting involved with a girl who is an entertainment type so she pretty much has to be in either the NYC area or LA.
It isn't ideal, and I did want to go someplace better, but it isn't like I'm not used to a restrictive, anti-gun environment. I live in MD where virtually all new handguns are unavailable and we are limited to 20 round mags. I might not like it, but I could sell my 2 15 round CZ mags and my AR if I really needed to. Heck, being more of a handgun guy than a rifle guy (I love rifles, but I shoot handguns much more) I think having to go with a Mini-14 instead of the AR but then being able to buy most handguns again might be an improvement.
Anyway, my questions:
-NY:
My understanding of the situation in NY is that state law requires a permit to own guns. Localities don't really have stricter laws, the trouble comes in how/if they issue permits. Is that part accurate?
My understanding is that in NYC it is virtually impossible to get a permit to own a handgun. I also recall hearing something about a 5 gun limit. Are those two ideas correct? Some people do seem to legally own handguns in NYC, do you have to be "connected" or just wait a year or more (needless to say, neither is acceptable, I'm just curious)?
If so, is it all of NYC or just Manhattan? Would Brooklyn be different?
How far out of NYC do you have to go to be able to own handguns? I know, technically you can own them in NYC, I mean realistically. Are there some NYC suburbs with similar enforcement of the law, or are they going to be easier?
I know in parts of NY you can get a permit that allows not just ownership but carry as well. Are there any jurisdictions near NYC where carry is realistic? Outside of NYC is there anything that is banned?
-NJ:
Yeah, we all have heard about the assault weapons laws and the hollow points (which as I understand it is exaggerated, as I understand it you can use HPs in your home defense gun, and I think you can shoot them at the range, you just can't have them outside the home). What exactly do they entail?
Other than selling my AR and all my 10+ round mags am I ok? Mini-14s are ok if I want one, right? My Benelli Nova looks kinda scary and non-PC, but it is a basic tubular mag, 18.5" HD 12ga. No problems with that, right? I heard the internet story of people being arrested for rimfires with tubular mags over 10 rounds (specifically the Marlin 60), true or internet/urban myth? Pretty much all handguns are legal right? No carry there, just like no carry here.
Are all the laws state, or do localities have the ability to make the life of a gun owner even worse? Are there any jurisdictions where handguns, shotguns or rifles that are state legal would be illegal? Would I have to register my guns to bring them into the state, and if so is there a graceperiod for new residents or would I have to have them registered before I brought them in- in other words, what would I need to do to bring my guns in and be legal?
CA:
Are all the laws state, or do localities have the ability to ban gun ownership? What am I looking at in the LA area? Are there any areas in the LA area where CCW is possible (yeah, a pipe dream, I know...but I had to ask)?
My understanding is I'd be looking at much the same thing as NJ- no over 10 round mags, no AR (out of what I own). I keep hearing about a list for handguns- is that just for sales or if I bought a gun legally here in MD that isn't on the list would I have to sell it before bringing it into CA? Could I own it but just not sell it or would I have to get rid of it?
Is there manditory registration? Would I have to register my guns to bring them into the state, and if so is there a grace period for new residents or would I have to have them registered before I brought them in- in other words, what would I need to do to bring my guns in and be legal?
Sure, being a gun guy I'd much prefer going someplace with better gun laws. However, having been unemployed for 5 months with no end in sight I can't afford to ignore the two largest job markets in the country. Being turned down and ignored for job after job due to my religious restrictions I can't afford to ignore the metropolitian area with the largest concentration of Orthodox Jews in the world, and another in the top 10 or so (areas with a lot of Orthodox Jews tend to have more employers who are familiar with our needs- NYC especially is fairly Orthodox Jewish friendly). Having most of my experience in an industry where Sat (the sabbath) is a normal working day and thus having trouble being hired (and having no chance for further promotion if I do get hired) means I can look to other industries (where my experience isn't as helpful), I can abandon my religion (not going to happen), or I can go to NY where plenty of branches are closed on Sat (both in the Jewish neighborhoods and in the business distict of Manahattan). Plus, I'm kinda getting involved with a girl who is an entertainment type so she pretty much has to be in either the NYC area or LA.
It isn't ideal, and I did want to go someplace better, but it isn't like I'm not used to a restrictive, anti-gun environment. I live in MD where virtually all new handguns are unavailable and we are limited to 20 round mags. I might not like it, but I could sell my 2 15 round CZ mags and my AR if I really needed to. Heck, being more of a handgun guy than a rifle guy (I love rifles, but I shoot handguns much more) I think having to go with a Mini-14 instead of the AR but then being able to buy most handguns again might be an improvement.
Anyway, my questions:
-NY:
My understanding of the situation in NY is that state law requires a permit to own guns. Localities don't really have stricter laws, the trouble comes in how/if they issue permits. Is that part accurate?
My understanding is that in NYC it is virtually impossible to get a permit to own a handgun. I also recall hearing something about a 5 gun limit. Are those two ideas correct? Some people do seem to legally own handguns in NYC, do you have to be "connected" or just wait a year or more (needless to say, neither is acceptable, I'm just curious)?
If so, is it all of NYC or just Manhattan? Would Brooklyn be different?
How far out of NYC do you have to go to be able to own handguns? I know, technically you can own them in NYC, I mean realistically. Are there some NYC suburbs with similar enforcement of the law, or are they going to be easier?
I know in parts of NY you can get a permit that allows not just ownership but carry as well. Are there any jurisdictions near NYC where carry is realistic? Outside of NYC is there anything that is banned?
-NJ:
Yeah, we all have heard about the assault weapons laws and the hollow points (which as I understand it is exaggerated, as I understand it you can use HPs in your home defense gun, and I think you can shoot them at the range, you just can't have them outside the home). What exactly do they entail?
Other than selling my AR and all my 10+ round mags am I ok? Mini-14s are ok if I want one, right? My Benelli Nova looks kinda scary and non-PC, but it is a basic tubular mag, 18.5" HD 12ga. No problems with that, right? I heard the internet story of people being arrested for rimfires with tubular mags over 10 rounds (specifically the Marlin 60), true or internet/urban myth? Pretty much all handguns are legal right? No carry there, just like no carry here.
Are all the laws state, or do localities have the ability to make the life of a gun owner even worse? Are there any jurisdictions where handguns, shotguns or rifles that are state legal would be illegal? Would I have to register my guns to bring them into the state, and if so is there a graceperiod for new residents or would I have to have them registered before I brought them in- in other words, what would I need to do to bring my guns in and be legal?
CA:
Are all the laws state, or do localities have the ability to ban gun ownership? What am I looking at in the LA area? Are there any areas in the LA area where CCW is possible (yeah, a pipe dream, I know...but I had to ask)?
My understanding is I'd be looking at much the same thing as NJ- no over 10 round mags, no AR (out of what I own). I keep hearing about a list for handguns- is that just for sales or if I bought a gun legally here in MD that isn't on the list would I have to sell it before bringing it into CA? Could I own it but just not sell it or would I have to get rid of it?
Is there manditory registration? Would I have to register my guns to bring them into the state, and if so is there a grace period for new residents or would I have to have them registered before I brought them in- in other words, what would I need to do to bring my guns in and be legal?