Carry all the time?

[azrocks]

Care to share full name along with home town so we can watch the news or court records when you tell the judge everything you told us above.

Deanimator's entire post could be summarized as "I'll use deadly force only when legally justified and given no other option without accepting undue risk". As such, any judge that would have a problem with it shouldn't be a judge in the first place.

 

[hi-impact]

Oh, the thing about if one feels that they need a gun to feel safe where they live, should move to a better area.
Remember that the poor side of town is poor. The bad guys on the poor side of town go to the good side of town to take nice things from the people that think they are safe. Also, most of the people on the bad side of town have guns and are willing to fight for what they have.

Criminals are mobile and have cars, if they don't they steal it. Criminals can find and seek you out. People that live in a "good" neighborhood or gated community should not be complacent when it comes to crime. Does a gated community keep bad guys out or bad guys in? As someone has stated before, no one knows their neighbor next door anymore and they don't care to. In other words, it doesn't matter where you live, crime is everywhere. And it's just the tip of the iceberg. Many crimes go unreported. True crime is much higher than statistics show.

As far as carry all the time. Oh yeah. Like someone else already said, no downside. I always carry in or outside of home, at least 2 guns and at least 2 knives for backup gun and backup knife. But that's another topic.

 

[Deanimator]

we obviously have different views but I'm going to take THR on this one and leave it at that! Just one thing for all of us. Care to share full name along with home town so we can watch the news or court records when you tell the judge everything you told us above.

Everything I posted is well within state and local law here. I have NO legal duty to let somebody rob or murder me. That may bother you, but it's the law.

And interestingly you made no attempt whatever to refute a word I said.

I regularly post elsewhere under my real name. I did for the better part of twenty years in usenet and fidonet. And clearly you aren't serious lest you look at my avatar and see "Rocky River, Ohio".

Two of the worst survival strategies are:

1. Make believe.
2. Smug and condescending moralizing in the face of harsh reality.

 

[Alte Schule]

In the house I always have a firearm close by. The youngest person to enter my place is my 15 yr old grandson and shooting partner. He's been raised to respect firearms just as my son was. Since License to Carry became an option in Texas I have had a license and just like buckling your seat belt is pretty much automatic for most folks so is putting on my EDC if I leave my property.
I made the mistake of not following that mantra once and it almost cost me.Working in my garage one afternoon a few years ago installing a new throttle body sensor on my Cobra GT 500. My EDC at the time, a PPKS.380, sitting safely behind me on the top of my beer refrigerator. Family member stops by with good news.Time to celebrate so I wash my hands real quick and jump in my daily driver and head to the liquor store a ten minute drive away,
Pick up what I needed and exited the store. I was about ten feet from my car when I heard a car horn honk. I looked up and saw a large Dodge Ram truck coming out of the parking lot had tried to squeeze into a line of cars waiting at a light. Evidently a young woman in a small car with a national pizza chain light on the top had honked at the guy in the truck which I guess irritated him. Man exits truck carrying an axe handle an advances on girl in car. I was standing about 30 feet away watching this go down and before I knew it I shouted "Hey, leave the girl alone" The guy then turns towards and says "you want some of this old man?" Uh-oh. I put my left hand out in the universal stop motion yelling "you better stop" while at the same time sweeping my shirt back with my right to access my OWB DeSantis holstered Walther at the 4 o'clock. Yeah you guessed it.... empty holster. The guy took three or four steps towards me then stopped and ran back to his truck turned into the opposite lane against traffic and took off. I bluffed him. Unintentional but it worked. The girl in the car got out thanking me and before I could say anything the police showed up. It took me ten minutes to convince them I really didn't have a firearm and believe me they looked. They caught the jerk a few miles away.
I'm glad I didn't have to shoot anybody but I guarantee you I will not be caught again making that kind of mistake. There was one casualty though. I had to drop the bag with $70 worth of good liquor. No survivors.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

How much better can a reply on a topic get then one with the items Cobra GT 500, PPKS.380and beer refrigerator all in the same sentence

 

[Sauer Grapes]

I go to work very early 3 or 4 days a week. Drive a 18 wheeler. I get to the yard where the trucks are, and I'm the only sole around. Bad guys are within walking distance of the OPEN yard.
I strap on a gun every morning since you never know. I'd carry in the truck if it was legal. I seldom carry around the house. I'm taking the dog for a walk, I carry just because I can.
I can't see a reason why everyone doesn't carry. How hard can it be to stick something like a G42 or a J- frame in ur pocket. I usually just use an OWB holster with my PT709 since it's what is always out. Of course, no kids to worry about here.
I'm too old for hand to hand combat. Just showing a holstered gun a couple years ago saved my butt from a beat down. I do understand some people have restrictions with work place and what not. Out of work? On weekends? Out and about? Always carrying something. It's too easy not to.

 

[Deanimator]

I can't see a reason why everyone doesn't carry.

The truth is that over the years, I've repeatedly seen people who seem to fear their own lack of judgment and impulse control more than they fear a violent assailant.

While they often claim to fear legal repercussions... of not allowing somebody to rob, rape or murder them, there are a lot of "tells" that indicate deeper issues.

 

[Axis II]

a lot of people don't carry because they fear legal repercussions. it seems you can be sued and lose now days for cursing at someone.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

a lot of people don't carry because they fear legal repercussions. it seems you can be sued and lose now days for cursing at someone.

I think you are probably right and by doing so they are part of the problem. Fear of litigation is taken way to far by to many people.

 

[OC-Trainer]

I can't post the link because of the language but go to YouTube and search "OC Spray female marine Douglas" you will find a video of a female Marine, named Douglas (did not see that coming) going through OC certification.

She is sprayed and it takes a full minute for the spray to have ANY effect. She literally looks at the trainer and says "This is it?". When it finally DOES take affect she goes through a reaction course where she fights off one guy with bare hands, one guy with a baton, she knocks down a red man and puts him in a handcuff position and THEN they decon her.

The silly video you keep referencing isn't the Zapruder film, it is a dog and pony show.

Any guesses as to why the spray is clear and not reddish-orange? Or how about why they have her start with her eyes closed?

That video is a joke.

 

[Deanimator]

I think you are probably right and by doing so they are part of the problem. Fear of litigation is taken way to far by to many people.

I've seen people get out of lawsuits.

I've seen people get out of prison.

I've never seen anybody get out of the grave.

Anybody who's more afraid of getting sued by a violent assailant for refusing to be a victim than they are of getting killed by him has issues.

 

[Deanimator]

That video is a joke.

Pepper spray against a firearm is a joke.

The only chemical spray that should be used against a firearm is napalm.

 

[OC-Trainer]

Pepper spray against a firearm is a joke.

The only chemical spray that should be used against a firearm is napalm.

You're the one who keeps bringing up OC vs firearms. So, since you seem to have some sort of problem with it let's put you to the test. Are you ready to put your money were your mouth is?

 

[Deanimator]

You're the one who keeps bringing up OC vs firearms. So, since you seem to have some sort of problem with it let's put you to the test. Are you ready to put your money were your mouth is?

Let me make sure I understand what you're proposing. You WANT to get shot for trying to pepper spray me?

I'm going to posit that somebody who would suggest such a thing has a few "issues"...

 

[HB]

I carry the vast majority of the time but can anybody point to the statics in which crime is rising?

I believe crime in general is at or below the same levels as the 1950s, with an uptick in murders over the early 2000s.. most of which are "gang" or "drug" related.

 

[OC-Trainer]

Let me make sure I understand what you're proposing. You WANT to get shot for trying to pepper spray me?

I'm going to posit that somebody who would suggest such a thing has a few "issues"...

Let me make sure I understand what you're proposing. You WANT to get shot for trying to pepper spray me?

I'm going to posit that somebody who would suggest such a thing has a few "issues"...

I'm 100% sure I'd be able temporarily blind you before you even know what happened.

See that's the problem with internet blowhards, they never accept the challenge even when they claim pepper spray is "a joke."

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I carry the vast majority of the time but can anybody point to the statics in which crime is rising?

I believe crime in general is at or below the same levels as the 1950s, with an uptick in murders over the early 2000s.. most of which are "gang" or "drug" related.

If I can find think I'll post it but I just read a study that said that the majority of violent crime in America occurs in FIVE counties and if you remove those five counties from the equation America has very low violent crime rates

 

[Deanimator]

I'm 100% sure I'd be able temporarily blind you before you even know what happened.

See that's the problem with internet blowhards, they never accept the challenge even when they claim pepper spray is "a joke."

So what you're doing is proposing to assault me, in response to which I'd shoot you, and my failure to engage in an asinine and likely fatal (for you) **** waving contest makes ME a "blowhard".

Based on your statements, I probably have DVDs older than you.

 

[Deanimator]

If I can find think I'll post it but I just read a study that said that the majority of violent crime in America occurs in FIVE counties and if you remove those five counties from the equation America has very low violent crime rates

Very low, but not nonexistent. Cheshire, Connecticut isn't exactly "the hood". That doctor's wife and two daughters are still dead. He didn't protect them, and the cops definitely didn't.

 

[Kleanbore]

If I can find think I'll post it but I just read a study that said that the majority of violent crime in America occurs in FIVE counties and if you remove those five counties from the equation America has very low violent crime rates

The first step, after identifying a risk, in the decision of whether to accept it without mitigation or to mitigate it, is to analyze it.

That will take into account both the likelihood of the risk and the potential consequences.

I do not expect to be the victim of either a violent crime or a fire, but I accept neither risk unmitigated.

 

[BillTell]

I will Re-State what I had said...to wit..."I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6". Meaning, if I'm in a situation where I cannot retreat, where possibly multiple threats are coming for me, or my family, or a stranger that I can't bear to see injured or killed, then, using my weapon to save a life or lives, is preferable to me than letting unknown carnage be wrought on them or me. And in that scenario, yes, I will deal with whatever consequences arise from it rather than lose MY life. To lose my life, or one of those I care about is NOT preferable to dealing with the courts. And, so, again, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. It's not just a saying. It's what I believe. And, as a retired Fire Lt., I don't have to worry about losing my job. And I don't really think my kids will fall apart. I think they would rally behind me. I'm not Wild Bill gunning people down in the streets...I would like to think my use of a firearm would be severely warranted.

 

[helitack32f1]

I used to like the idea of carrying. I had a gun for carrying and even had a holster and a permit to carry but did not carry. Then, on my delivery route, out in a beautiful and friendly rural area. a guy killed a lady cop. Right next to one of my customers where I could have been delivering. Then he moved down the road and killed two guys building a porch. He also took a skilsaw to their faces. He moved from there to a friendly gas station I go to on a weekly basis and shot a motorcyclist in the parking lot. He then moved on from there to the freeway where he shot and killed a guy driving down the freeway. In all, 6 people were killed and two injured, by a guy traveling trough all the areas I frequent. All areas that would be considered "safe". Areas where most people would be saying "I live in such a peaceful area, I have no reason to carry at home!"

Since then, I have carried anytime I am awake. The gun goes on in the morning and comes off as I go to bed. If one carries in a comfortable enough manner, I do not understand why one would arrive home and take the gun off. I live in one of the most friendly, safe communities on the planet, yet there are regularly times where I am glad to have a gun on my person. If anyone on here is a regular reader of the NRA magazines and "The Armed Citizen" column, nearly every one of those accounts occur at home!

The fact is, a lot of the incidents where people are shot occur from mentally unstable people that should have been locked away long ago. Their are mentally unstable people in every type of area and could come to your door. Statistically, this will never happen to you. Just like needing your gun while out and about.

 

[Axis II]

I'm 100% sure I'd be able temporarily blind you before you even know what happened.

See that's the problem with internet blowhards, they never accept the challenge even when they claim pepper spray is "a joke."

Did he just say he would shoot you for pepper spraying him? LOL. Now that's funny! Pepper spray isn't a deadly weapon. I guess his ccw instructor told him it was okay.

 

[JR24]

Did he just say he would shoot you for pepper spraying him? LOL. Now that's funny! Pepper spray isn't a deadly weapon. I guess his ccw instructor told him it was okay.

Since pepper spray could completely render you helpless, leaving the perpetrator able to do whatever they want to you one can easily make an "imminent fear of life" argument in almost any state.

Especially if the victim is not aware it was spray, just an immediate painful attack.

I find it laughable you find it laughable.

 

[JR24]

I'd rather not think about the ACA. When my wife lost her job we lost the affordable (not cheap) health insurance we had. The quotes I got for insurance after we lost her insurance are 36% of my gross pay last year, or 47% of my base salary.

That is so "affordable" that we haven't had insurance since November and I'm going to be "taxed" $2350.00 on my 2017 tax return for not having insurance for the year.

All the ACA did is take health insurance away from one group of people and give it to another group of people, IMO.

All I know is once it passed and I was between jobs my single, white, healthy, 25-30, unemployed premium went up 400%.

I ended up just overpaying for COBRA until I got the next job.