Carry all the time?

[Axis II]

Since pepper spray could completely render you helpless, leaving the perpetrator able to do whatever they want to you one can easily make an "imminent fear of life" argument in almost any state.

Especially if the victim is not aware it was spray, just an immediate painful attack.

I find it laughable you find it laughable.

I've been through OC training and seen people sprayed. Its doesn't remanded you completely helpless to the point of pulling a firearm and using it and on another note about that. Hey lets pull a gun and start shooting while im blinded. Makes sense to me. . I would love to hear that court argument. Mr. Judge he pulled a can of pepper spray on me so i shot him 6 times cause i was afraid.

 

[chicharrones]

You're the one who keeps bringing up OC vs firearms. So, since you seem to have some sort of problem with it let's put you to the test. Are you ready to put your money were your mouth is?

I'm 100% sure I'd be able temporarily blind you before you even know what happened.

See that's the problem with internet blowhards, they never accept the challenge even when they claim pepper spray is "a joke."

Did he just say he would shoot you for pepper spraying him? LOL. Now that's funny! Pepper spray isn't a deadly weapon. I guess his ccw instructor told him it was okay.

Shooting pepper spray at a person that just has to take it isn't a fair test in this proposed challenge.

Short of shooting firearms at people, some other test would have to be performed.

One could set up a "robot" that can fire pepper spray at a real person ready to shoot a Simunitions gun on a controlled range. The "robot" would have a silhouette target on the front of it. Run the test where the man gets pepper sprayed first and see if the man can shoot the target.

 

[JR24]

I've been through OC training and seen people sprayed. Its doesn't remanded you completely helpless to the point of pulling a firearm and using it and on another note about that. Hey lets pull a gun and start shooting while im blinded. Makes sense to me. . I would love to hear that court argument. Mr. Judge he pulled a can of pepper spray on me so i shot him 6 times cause i was afraid.

Im not saying that, what

I've been through OC training and seen people sprayed. Its doesn't remanded you completely helpless to the point of pulling a firearm and using it and on another note about that. Hey lets pull a gun and start shooting while im blinded. Makes sense to me. . I would love to hear that court argument. Mr. Judge he pulled a can of pepper spray on me so i shot him 6 times cause i was afraid.

I agree shooting randomly blinded is not smart. All I am saying is that just because pepper spray is nonlethal doesn't mean that it can't be justified as an immediate thteat to life.

If you know it is just spray and you can just leave, thats one thing (which is ALWAYS the best choice carrying, run away if you can). A determined attacker ambushing with fists, spray, knife, who knows. Do what you gotta do to get away, and if the bad guy "only" had spray you'd be OK most places.

 

[chicharrones]

I have no dog in this fight, but this one incident of gun versus pepper spray is interesting.

 

[Kleanbore]

Did he just say he would shoot you for pepper spraying him? LOL. Now that's funny! Pepper spray isn't a deadly weapon.

If a person is armed and another person takes action to disable him unlawfully, even temporarily, the risk is that the assailant will take the weapon.

The defender would reasonably be expected to do whatever might be immediately necessary to prevent that.

 

[Deanimator]

Did he just say he would shoot you for pepper spraying him? LOL. Now that's funny! Pepper spray isn't a deadly weapon. I guess his ccw instructor told him it was okay.

Considering that I won't have done anything to legally justify pepper spraying me in the first place, the only logical conclusion is that he did so preparatory to doing me even greater harm, up to and including murder.

The only people I see running around pepper spraying people for no reason are violent anarchists... you know, the kind who try to beat people to death with bike locks?

Given that he initiated the idea of violence between us, I can only interpret your comments as an endorsement of such behavior...

 

[OC-Trainer]

For the record, and before I get falsely accused of derailing this thread, I only show up when someone posts something false, or outright preposterous when it comes to OC spray. I never brought it up, only cleared it up. That said...

Shooting pepper spray at a person that just has to take it isn't a fair test in this proposed challenge.

I hear you and that is not what I was proposing. I have a standing challenge to anyone who doesn't believe that pepper spray is effective. For it truly boggles my mind that someone can actually think that temporarily losing their sense of sight wouldn't impair them in a physical altercation. There is too much misinformation out there, bogus YT videos, internet myths (like wasp spray), and flat out garbage. Forget the academy videos, they are staged for success.

I have no dog in this fight, but this one incident of gun versus pepper spray is interesting.

That isn't the proper way to use OC spray. A tragedy to be sure, but he certainly wasn't trained to use it that way.

Given that he initiated the idea of violence between us, I can only interpret your comments as an endorsement of such behavior...

Nope I initiated a challenge to you. That same way to people mutually agree to step into the ring. You obviously don't want that, so we will move on.
So spin it anyway you want. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Robert]

Chest thumping and off topic arguing oh my! Yeah, we are done here. Some of y'all just seem incapable of keeping it out of the ditch and between the lines...