CCW Badge

[PrimaryB]

I have an idea. How about during a spontaneous violent confrontation where there is a LEO, a BG, Victim and Yourself you call timeout to show your badge and everyone gets to reposition themselves.

Or since you know something bad is about to go down you start looking for someone who recognizes the double moose lodge triple wink with left eye and hope you are responded to by the double right eye wink with a nose tap.

Badges mean nothing til after the fact. It's the uniform and authoritarian figure that counts during the event.

In some states your required to help people in medical distress if you have a Red Cross card but I think that for the most part has been changed.

Just because you have a CCW doesn't mean your entitled to enforce or be recognized as an enforcer of the law.

 

[mustanger98]

In some states your required to help people in medical distress if you have a Red Cross card but I think that for the most part has been changed.

What I heard about that is that some victims turned around and sued the pants off the one that helped 'em just because they could.

Just because you have a CCW doesn't mean your entitled to enforce or be recognized as an enforcer of the law.

My understanding is that every citizen has the right to make an arrest if a felony is committed in the citizen's presence. It's not an entitlement; it's a duty. However, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, a citizen has to know where that authority begins and ends and also what the procedure and guidelines are.

 

[PrimaryB]

To answer your first question, In my state you are not liable by any means during an EMERGENCY when there is no immediate trained personnel present.

To answer your second question you'd best have a good lawyer and a lot of money. Duty? Duty is done by trained personnel who have earned the badge.

 

[ezypikns]

So let me get this straight.....

in my home state (Texas), we have concealed carry. It is illegal to print or flash or brandish your firearm.
So after trying to obey my state's law, then I put on a highly visible badge\t-shirt\necklace\beanie (with or without siren and flashing light) that identifies me as carrying a concealed weapon?

Pardon me, but if you answer yes to that question, your logic would seem to be ever so slightly skewed.

 

[madmike]

I immediately have a vision of CCW badge holder as someone with 10 magazines of ammo for his primary and 2 backups that are carried in his "tactical man bag/purse".

And double vests with plates duct taped over against multiple hits of .338 Lapua, right?

 

[madmike]

Could I have a show of hands...
All those with a CCW badge, do you also carry handcuffs?

Well, not in public.

Hey, some people LIKE restraint.

 

[Ranger 40]

Why would you have a CCW and a 1911 under your coat, with a "Big Marshall Dillon Badge" on your chest. The idea of a concealed fire arm is just that concealed.
If your ego needs a badge you don't need a CCW or a concealed weapon.

 

[SniperStraz]

What I heard about that is that some victims turned around and sued the pants off the one that helped 'em just because they could.

Thats why laws of Implied Consent were enacted to protect EFRs

 

[mustanger98]

Duty? Duty is done by trained personnel who have earned the badge.

Believe it or not, every human being has a duty whether to himself, his family, his fellow man, to society. Badge or no badge. To say duty is done only by certain professionals... that's just like the anti-gunners say... that we don't need guns to defend ourselves because that's what the police are for. That flies in the face of what THR and America are all about. Citizen's arrest has been done plenty of times over the years, obviously or it wouldn't be known of, by citizens who never wore a badge of any sort in their lives. This debate of badges as part of a CCW holders ID system has little or nothing to do with it. Only that it was relevent to part of the debate.

 

[nemoaz]

I'm aquainted with an assistant DA locally to me... this guy carries his sidearm and generally has a badge clipped to his belt. I haven't gotten a look at the badge, but I recall earlier in the thread there was talk about a prosecutor's badge.

These badges are usually issued along with credentials. How else would you know who is a real prosecutor? Prosecutor's do a great deal of investigation, especially in small jurisdictions. Most are authorized to carry concealed weapons and some jurisdictions actually issue prosecutors a handgun.

Don't know what this has to do with a "CCW" badge.

 

[mustanger98]

nemoaz

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I'm aquainted with an assistant DA locally to me... this guy carries his sidearm and generally has a badge clipped to his belt. I haven't gotten a look at the badge, but I recall earlier in the thread there was talk about a prosecutor's badge.

These badges are usually issued along with credentials. How else would you know who is a real prosecutor? Prosecutor's do a great deal of investigation, especially in small jurisdictions. Most are authorized to carry concealed weapons and some jurisdictions actually issue prosecutors a handgun.

I posted the part you quoted knowing the guy has the credentials. This guy does investigation and has even gone on raids with the cops.

Don't know what this has to do with a "CCW" badge.

I brought this up during the part of this conversation (myself and Jeff White) that had to do with the problems of a visible badge either giving away an off-duty cop or a CCW holder being mistaken for a cop. If you read Jeff's post right before mine, you'll notice he was talking about miscreants who want to give a cop some payback just for being a cop. Made me wonder if my friend the assistant DA, having his badge visible, caught any of the kind of flak Jeff described. It wouldn't be too different if private citizens had visible CCW badges regardless of legality which is still a related issue.

 

[Sig245]

Wow this is obviously an emotional issue for a lot of folks.

I agree that I would never carry a badge that I did not earn as a trained LEO.

To carry a concealed gun is a very personal thing. We do not train to help others and best use the gun for what it was intended, self defense in the event of a life threating event.

I for one will not engage anyone unless backed into a corner and forced to defend myself or my family. To put up all my life savings, my home and my familys security to rush to the aid of others is not what I ever intend to do.
No matter what you do you will be sued, maybe by the very person you try to protect, its not worth the risk in my opinion.

To play the role of a "hero" in 90% of the cases will come back to bite you in the butt every time.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

To play the role of a "hero" in 90% of the cases will come back to bite you in the butt every time.

Some people are alright with that. I know I am.

 

[sm]

No disrespect folks

Common sense.

A is A

One does not:

-Stick their hands onto the burner of a stove-top.

-Announce to everyone in a business - including customers - "I am going to the bank to deposit $2,000.00 in cash" and the whole time walking to the bank , with a bank bag, with bank logo, toss this bag up in the air , play catch , and everyone one along the way again share " yeah, got $2,000.00 in cash in this bank bag and heading to the bank...".

-Answer the door bell buck naked.
-Come into the house, and toss down a dead cat found in the middle of the street while supper is on the table.
-Walk into a Police Station and yell out "Hands up, this is armed robbery!"
-Go to a Fire Station and attempt to set a fire truck on fire.

I mean come on folks! This is not rocket science.

Banks do not leave cash just sitting out on the front steps; they have that walk-in vault for a reason.
Undercover LEOs are Undercover for a reason and some things in life just "are".

I want to see how far some folks get walking into a FBI office, Federal Court Building, Secret Service Office and

"Hey, want to see my NEW gun ! Waving this gun around.
Impressed. Oh yeah, this real sure to get one attention, real damn fast.

There is more to responsible firearm ownership than firearms. - me

There is a reason I do not like some folks breathing MY air.

Good Grief Margo!
Armored car guard folks have visible badges, visible guns and everybody knows tm that is CASH in them bags and not tiddly-winks.

Bad guys do and they STILL pull robberies on armored car folks.

A is A

 

[ezypikns]

These SHOULD be the last words on this subject.

I mean come on folks! This is not rocket science.