CCW means Concealed.

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Sure, they could. But maybe they conceal enough to not get hassled 99% of the time and that's good enough for them. If it isn't illegal, and they don't personally care about ruffling the feathers of a soccer mom or two, maybe deeper concealment really isn't a priority for them.
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Most likely someone noticing is going to be 'in the know' rather than a soccer mom, I would think.
 
Right after my wife says "Do these pant's make my butt look big?" I turn and ask, "Is my weapon printing?" One of us always gives a right answer. One of us has no right answer.
 
Florida is a NO open carry state and in most areas LEO consider Concealed means Concealed pretty seriously. Even printing is not a good thing but having part of your weapon exposed can bring on some serious heat.
 
CCW means Concealed.
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I guess it's a good thing my permit says "Open or Concealed" then, 'cause most of the time, I couldn't care less if someone sees my gun.

I'm afraid I fall into that category of really just not giving a good flying damn what some soccer mom or panic-laden bliss-ninny thinks. And I certainly know most of the cops around here, so usually end up talking to one of 'em when I see them out, anyway.

It'd probably give 'em a real giggle to get called to a "man with a gun", only to find out it was me. :evil:

Anyway, I just see the whole issue as people worrying over nothing, since the only time I'd probably be concerned over how well I had the thing concealed is if I were someplace that I wasn't supposed to be armed. Which isn't likely to happen, since I try to avoid such places altogether. ;)


J.C.
 
I just laugh at the "trying to look casual". I do remember reading something about TN changing the wording... Not sure when. Since i don't have a permit I don't keep up with it... mostly keep up with what would get the cuffs slapped on me.
Anyone know if they got rid of the silly law about gun and ammo in same area (range bag)?
Last time i checked ammo and gun had to be atleast out of immediate reach of driver and in seperate bags, No ammo in magazines but clips ok.
 
2 words...
Man Purse!

Briefcase carry, backpack, fanny pack, small organizer, or Maxpedition bag.
My max bag is designed for carry, plus fits the other detrious without wearing a fishing vest or batman belt.
If I really want to wear on body, really you have to go crotch holster. People look at you funny when you adjust the gun at your armpit, or hip. But us guys scratch, lift, shift and move things at our crotch-al region all the time! So it's natural! And even if they are looking (most avoid looking directly at a mans crotch) they'll just see a long pipe-like buldge there and think you have some weird equipment.
 
Are you KIDDING? With your gun poking out from your belly all the time? Right up in front where anyone facing you will notice it? Where your arms don't offer any visual and physical shield to guard its location? Whaddaya, NUTS?
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Are you serious ...Sam?
I carry exactly like Kwanger...my PF ItW at 1oc, nothing ever "pokes out", not sitting, bending over, not walking into the wind, not ever, the grip is an inch or so above my belt line and pressed flat against my abs, very concealed, no one has ever noticed or even so much as looked twice.
 
Are you serious ...Sam?
I carry exactly like Kwanger...my PF ItW at 1oc, nothing ever "pokes out", not sitting, bending over, not walking into the wind, not ever, the grip is an inch or so above my belt line and pressed flat against my abs, very concealed, no one has ever noticed or even so much as looked twice.
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Only sort of. My point was that there are very vaild reasons that different people choose to carry the gun that they do, in the holster that they do, and with the cover (or lack of it) that they choose. Just because one person's choices DON'T satisfy someone else doesn't mean they are invalid or worth ridicule.

I know that there are a bunch of folks who like "appendix-carry" at 1-2 o'clock. Not the majority of gun-toters, by far, but some. It has drawbacks that some folks can't live with, either because they've got some extra gut which makes it uncomfortable, or their body shape and posture make the gun stand out (print) like a lump on a basketball under their shirt, or they don't like not having it tucked away to the side where their arm naturally drapes over to cover the profile and provide a physical barrier from contact with other folks. Some might point out that the gun would be harder to draw in some positions (especially if knocked down/prone) and that the draw stroke will be minimally slower. WHATEVER the reasons (and I'm not looking to argue any of them) everyone makes their choices, find what works for their comfort level, and goes about their business.

Just because another "gun guy" can spot your carry piece doesn't mean you're a lesser "operator," or such foolishness.

-Sam
 
Yeah, I understood what Sam meant, and I do see that point of view. My method of carry was just a personal input to add some weight to the first part of my statement.

Regardless of carry method, the point I was trying to get across is that I take pride in absolutely ensuring that I'll not be detected carrying....it's a hangover from my past, and to me its about maintaining my own professional standards, and I do still hold myself to them; can't help it.

And because I do, I personally disagree with all of this 'I don't give a rats azz who sees it, its my right' - if your permit says concealed, thats what it means to me, not 'I'll be sloppy and do it in a half azzed way because it doesn't matter' Period. Others mileage obviously does vary; fine....mine doesn't.
 
I take pride in absolutely ensuring that I'll not be detected carrying
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And some folks carry openly -- with pride. And some folks conceal to some in-between level that affords them the convinience of deflecting most passing glances but remains comfortable and condusive to their ends. Different strokes...no reason to be judgemental towards each other about it.

if your permit says concealed, thats what it means to me
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Oh. Maybe that's the problem? My permit says "License To Carry Firearms," perod.

'I'll be sloppy and do it in a half azzed way because it doesn't matter'
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Funny, a great many of our mothers, grandmothers, and old school marms would pitch a fit if they saw how many of us run around with our shirt-tails untucked. Talk about SLOPPY! All in the eye of the beholder, you know?

-Sam
 
Oh, I do actually agree with you.....all I have said I'll stress is my opinion only, and only applies to me....the OP asked for opinions, and that's mine!

You are right about the permit type also being an issue...as has been mentioned by someone else, in my state (FL) they are fairly strict about the 'concealed' aspect.

Oh, and while we are on the whole permitting subject, in the spirit of this thread....I believe that all above mentioned soccer moms should require one for the privilege of being a soccer mom, as they are far more dangerous than any CCWer! ;)
 
I carry two guns in Arizona heat, (gonna do it again here in an hour when I run to Phoenix), compact size, IWB, XXL t-shirt, no printing, and I am getting "portly" :mad: myself - too much sit down work in the last 8 months.
Here's summer carry, with the PCR out of sight in a Bianchi M-100 IWB rig.

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and Winter carry,

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With the concealment garment being a Wolverine brown vest, which is really all you need in AZ winter, usually. :)

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And because I do, I personally disagree with all of this 'I don't give a rats azz who sees it, its my right' - if your permit says concealed, thats what it means to me, not 'I'll be sloppy and do it in a half azzed way because it doesn't matter' Period. Others mileage obviously does vary; fine....mine doesn't.
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Well, you can disagree all you like, but honestly, at least here, it DOESN'T matter. Nor should it. There's just not too many people that will go into a panic over seeing a gun on somebody's hip. And those that would, usually just get laughed at for making a fuss over nothing.

And personally, I kind'a like it that way.

I don't worry about concealing a cell phone, car keys, pocket knife, or any number of other things I carry around with me, after all. And there's really no difference between those things and my gun; they're all just "necessary evils" that have to be hauled around during day-to-day goings-on.

Anyway... anybody who chooses to walk around in "stealth mode" all the time... fine by me. For those of you that HAVE to or else, though... so sorry. 'Cause it really shouldn't have to be that way, I think.


J.C.
 
Again I have the PA Lic. To Carry Firearms , i make a reasonable effort to conceal , for various reasons , and have never (that I know of ) been made but in my area .. it wouldnt draw as much as a second look, from most, but I live in a tri border area (NY/NJ/PA) and Ive noticed varying degrees of acceptance from non residents(see also NJ Antis) .. I conceal to avoid being called in as "A Guy with a gun "
 
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Concealed mean concealed. Cut and dried.
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Unless "concealed" isn't a requirement -- and we've shown here and elsewhere that it isn't in MOST states. Your personal carry "philosophy" may dictate that YOU will only do it in a specific way, but there's no moral high ground here -- on either side.

Some folks don't want to go concealed -- at all -- as an exercise of rights and to heighten public awareness and acceptance.
Concealed means cowardly.
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That's a little strong, isn't it? I see your point, but there are many very practical reasons to conceal your gun that have nothing to do with cowardice/fear. Better to say that, for some folks "concealed" means bowing to convienience and/or social pressure against guns.
And, to carry it further, maybe it means that your carry philosophy aligns more with the folks who prefer to maintain the element of surprise in potential violent encounters.

Guess what? All of these -- and anything in between -- ane perfectly valid points.

You prove my point with this idiotic post.
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This is absurd. We're bickering like 3rd graders over how each of us chooses to exercise our rights. It's an individual choice so long as we're following the letter of the law in our jurisdiction. What's with the preachy, jundgemental, riding of everyone down who doesn't do it just your way? (Either way!)

Different strokes...no reason to be judgemental towards each other about it. No reason to be a bunch of babies -- or to act like high-society blue-bloods looking down your nose at anyone who doesn't do it your way.

For every one of us who one of us who only carries pefectly concealed -- there are guys who conceal DEEPER and would consider your methods irresponsible. For every one of us who only carry open -- there are those who are even BOLDER and more uninhibited than you. SO WHAT?

All this communal self-loathing is just embarrasing. Be happy that your fellow shooters choose to exercise their rights -- AT ALL -- and go on about your life!

Sheesh...:rolleyes:

-Sam
 
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